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Old 10-07-2016, 07:11 PM   #1
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Hurricane Mathew!!


I saw this photo today of hurricane Mathew flooding and it reminded me of what Staten Island experienced during hurricane Sandy!! There is no fighting " mother nature "; when she comes for you it is best to be prepared!!
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Old 10-07-2016, 11:04 PM   #2
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Slept through it, an hour from Vero Beach (whose max sustained winds were in the 40+ mph range. ( https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...bGhdeFHCygHVpA )
My 20-sumpthinth hurricane in Florida, including two 100 miles offshore in the Gulf of Mexico, and severely bum-trundled by Charlie/Francis/Jeannie. This was a yawner. Lights never blinked, we have had worse summer afternoon T-showers.
Wondering how Governor Rick Scott feels today, after his headline-making statements.
 
Old 10-07-2016, 11:23 PM   #3
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I remember as a child going outside in the eye of hurricane Hazel. Indeed, Hazel liked the place I grew up so much that she crossed it once, changed her mind, then came back and crossed it again in the other direction.

After Donna, we were without power for a week. As we lived on a farm and had an electric pump for water, my Daddy had to drive a new well and and install a pitcher pump for the interim, but we didn't have to subsist on nuts and berries. We cooked on the outdoor barbecue.

Big storms can be dangerous things, but I would counsel avoiding television weather coverage. As far as I can tell, the primary goal of television weather persons (and the Weather Channel is perhaps the worst offender) is to induce panic.

That is not to say that, if you live right on the coast next to the beach or on an island where the mean elevation is three feet (one meter in the rest of the world), that you shouldn't get to higher land. (If you live somewhere where you can't drive your own well when you need water, getting the heck out is probably the best idea.)

It is to say, take sensible precautions, batten down the hatches, grab your towel, and don't panic.

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Old 10-11-2016, 07:43 AM   #4
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Blizzard of 78 I was a paperboy, back when kids rode their bikes to do that job. Got up, opened the front door, it was dark, and this was half-expected, we did have street lights, however without power it would be dark. Still something warned me, took 1/2 step and stopped. There was an entire wall of snow over our entire front door. .... Manic slam the door back shut! Well, if it was gonna fall, it would'a done so but I was like 11 and that was about the most amazing thing that had ever happened in my life.

Over the next few weeks and digging out I saw walls of snow that were like 20 feet high, they used tractor held snow blower machines to cut through the snow. One thing to see a sheer 1-3 foot high cut from a snow blower, another one to see that as high as a house!
 
Old 10-12-2016, 11:20 AM   #5
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Hurricanes vs blizzards

And that, my friends and cohorts, is largely why I reside in Florida.
IMHO, blizzards and sub-zero temps are nature's way of saying "Don't live here, you will die."
Worked with a fellow many years back who had done a stint in Antarctica. Said one of his mates walked outside in shirtsleeves because it was post-blizzard sunny and dead calm. Froze stiff just outside the door, ice statue of a man wanker in hand, bladder only half-empty. Seems it was much, much colder than he thought.
I won't live in Tornado Alley either, or anywhere on the Circle of Fire, but that's another thread.
 
Old 10-12-2016, 11:25 AM   #6
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Good point, Frank. Did you hear about the Fox weatherman telling viewers that they were all going to die, and their kids too, if Matthew drifted west (which it did)?

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...xnGYqLom7dbNDw
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https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...xnGYqLom7dbNDw
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https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...fsGUTgFtVqaNAQ
 
Old 10-12-2016, 11:28 AM   #7
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why I reside in Florida.

It's always something.
 
Old 10-12-2016, 01:58 PM   #8
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HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!! Global warming, sea levels rising, Florida shrinking --- EXCELLENT!! Thank you, Roki !!
Tee-hee. Sniff [dab eyes]
But seriously, folks....
Used to believe this garbage until about a decade ago, when I attended a small symposium hosted at SEU where a mixed group of research scientists presented their data. I was actually angered by their insinuations until I had time to think over the evidence and do some research on Al Gore. (Check out his "global-warming" data-gathering techniques. Hard to believe this man invented the internet.)
A quick browse reveals that NOAA and NatGeo agree somewhat on the increase of rise in ocean-levels since the early 90s... from 0.6" to 1.2" or 1.3" per DECADE, depending on which authority one cites. And that 0.6" baseline is based on data from the early 1900s, ergo the current "INDICATED" rates are indeed a doubling of the long-standing previous rise rate.
The upshot is that in another 40 or 50 years, a lot of waterfront property in Florida is going to be considerably narrower east-to-west, and property lines will have to be redrawn. Compare this to the Mississippi River, which has not ceased to change course, engulf and create islands, and wash away homesteads overnight since the time of Samuel Clemens (who wrote some engrossing literature on and around the errant nature of Old Man River).
And yet, people return to rebuild, generation after generation. On the same flood plains.
And people continue to live (and die unexpectedly) in the Great White North, and Tornado Alley, and at the foot of active volcanoes.
As Roky says, "it's always something". But I figure the odds of demise at a hurricane party (inland) comfortable enough to stay on here.
 
Old 10-12-2016, 07:20 PM   #9
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Pretty sure the target for a hurricane is Fla. Suspect it has been like that well before global warming. In fact the last decade has less. The indigenous peoples knew about them before they were Indians.

As such you'd have to consider means to reduce the effects, and be able to take action.

Like the comedian said. You might be able to stand in a 100 mph wind. You can't if a 2x4 going 100mph hits you.

Folks in Oklahoma and Texas used to use the iron tub and a mattress in a tornado. They started to make cheap tubs and people started dying. (that is not true.)

I built my house to be tornado resistant. A tornado passed by my house about 400 feet a few years ago and everything held up. I have a hiding spot below ground to jump into.

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Old 10-13-2016, 12:35 PM   #10
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Thanx for the chuckle, jefro, that comedian was correct.
Florida is not actually the target for Atlantic hurricanes, it just all-too-often stands in the path of the hurricane's intended target. Like Haiti, Jamaica, and Cuba. This is Hurricane Alley; no guarantee, just increased likelihood.
( We also have our share of tornadoes, btw, but I suspect they are a watered-down (?!?) version of those experienced by the Midwest.)
We have building codes and ordinances in place which are supposed to enhance the hurricane-resistance of our buildings, but much of it falls through the cracks (greed and ignorance, the historical dichotomy). In today's Society of Fear, rest assured that you cannot live here without being visually bombarded with emergency preparations, evacuation routes, and good reasons to buy this new portable generator.
Irony is seeing recent, hurricane-proof commercial construction fall or sustain irreparable damage while the 50-year-old trailer park one block over suffers no damage of consequence.
(Not the paradigm in Oklahoma, I gather, but it's the norm here. I have no explanation, just the observation from personal experience.)
 
Old 10-13-2016, 12:38 PM   #11
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I've been around, mostly the US. I like where I live. Doesn't mean I don't like other areas; however in the long run I would like the 4 seasons. There are benefits and drawbacks nearly everywhere.
 
Old 10-13-2016, 02:00 PM   #12
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I did a tornado proof when I built my motorcycle home

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Old 10-13-2016, 08:44 PM   #13
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danrevell, my local rag, which is hardly radical, not to mention 95% of all scientists, disagrees with you.

http://pilotonline.com/opinion/edito...852b921dc.html
 
Old 10-14-2016, 09:17 AM   #14
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Hi danrevell,

I used to live down your way, played Vero Beach every year in high school and usually got beat. :-) Mathew looked like it was going to slam Ft. Pierce there for a while. Glad most everyone down there came through ok. I was still living in Palm Beach Co. when Andrew hit Homestead. There were many of the guys I worked with who spent a few weeks down there helping restore power and water. That was a nasty one, but we never saw more than 50 mph gusts up the coast.
My father-in-law was a Fla. cracker, originally from Sarasota but lived most of his adult life in Palm Beach County. He used to tell me about all of the bad hurricanes they had seen in the decades prior to the '70s. Come to think of it I lived down there for 25 years and Andrew was the only storm that ever really did much on the Atlantic side.

I drove through Joplin about 5 weeks after that tornado, and I have a friend who survived the Xenia, Ohio tornado way back when. I've been in New England for about 20 years now. I think I prefer plowing snow, but I've not seen a blizzard like '78.
 
Old 10-14-2016, 09:50 AM   #15
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HI, FRANK, my good man, thanks for the input, I'm flattered that you would address my comments.
Your "local rag" article cited is well-written and, I agree, "hardly radical"; they appear to be engaged in the same mainstream fear-mongering as the majority of well-established media outlets and politicos, nothing radical there.
I prefer facts to rhetoric, but not the skewed sort that support a biased perspective.
If one takes a peek at the CO2 chart on https://www.co2.earth/daily-co2, adjusting it for the time period 1958-present, it would indeed support the Virginian-Pilot's basic premise, that global CO2 levels are at a dangerously high level.
If one expands that same chart to cover the "Last 800,000 Years" range, it harpoons the Virginian-Pilot's statement - quoting a NOAA report --- that "The last time CO2 levels were this high was the mid-Pliocene warm period — about 3 million years ago". That (same) chart shows no less than EIGHT cycles in that time frame during which CO2 levels peaked at or near current levels.
It's the same data-manipulating prestidigitation employed by Gore and the media to create this rather profitable scam in the first place; the chart-lines will show whatever increase or decrease you choose, depending on where you start.
So much for that group of conspirators and accessories-to-the-crime; now, about the other "95% of all scientists" you mentioned?
 
  


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