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Old 10-10-2016, 08:55 PM   #46
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Yeah. It is funny how nicotine.

Not classified as a addictive drug. But a drug non the less. Common as caffeine. Which is a drug also. But I could digress till the wheels fall off or the cows come home.

Whether chewed, dipped/sucked on the lip, or pipe, cigar, loose leaf with papers, commercial brands of pre packaged cigarettes.

Can be bought and consumed by kids , having older kids buy them for them.
But no one is outraged. No one cares. As a kid. I was offered Red Man Chew by a cowboy at a rodeo.
Tasted real sweet while I was chewing that loose leaf tobacco. That is, until I swallowed some spit and puked my guts out. Which was the purpose behind that cowboys offer. They wanted a good laugh.

Say something like a joint. Without the added chemicals introduced into commercial cigarettes.
EVERYONE HAS A HISSY FIT.
 
Old 10-10-2016, 09:17 PM   #47
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Yeah. It is funny how nicotine.

Not classified as a addictive drug. But a drug non the less. Common as caffeine. Which is a drug also. But I could digress till the wheels fall off or the cows come home.

Whether chewed, dipped/sucked on the lip, or pipe, cigar, loose leaf with papers, commercial brands of pre packaged cigarettes.

Can be bought and consumed by kids , having older kids buy them for them.
But no one is outraged. No one cares. As a kid. I was offered Red Man Chew by a cowboy at a rodeo.
Tasted real sweet while I was chewing that loose leaf tobacco. That is, until I swallowed some spit and puked my guts out. Which was the purpose behind that cowboys offer. They wanted a good laugh.

Say something like a joint. Without the added chemicals introduced into commercial cigarettes.
EVERYONE HAS A HISSY FIT.
Makes you think don't it?
 
Old 10-10-2016, 10:16 PM   #48
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Old 10-11-2016, 07:13 PM   #49
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You know that things are really bad when people have to paint signs like these on their door:
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Old 10-11-2016, 07:32 PM   #50
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Post France's first drug room for addicts to inject opens in Paris

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You know that things are really bad when people have to paint signs like these on their door:
Perhaps they should take a lesson from the French:

"A Paris hospital is now housing France's first "shooting gallery" - a safe place where drug addicts can inject under medical supervision."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37617360
 
Old 10-14-2016, 02:05 PM   #51
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They are burning these drugs:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/11/americ...urn/index.html
 
Old 10-14-2016, 08:12 PM   #52
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Unhappy

Natural selection is moving towards "legal" one$ for kids:
https://www.cchrint.org/psychiatric-...hiatric-drugs/
!?.

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Old 10-15-2016, 03:40 AM   #53
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Lazy asss parents and edu\***!!!
 
Old 10-16-2016, 05:01 AM   #54
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lots of "interested" people standing on those mountaintops?


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Natural selection is moving towards "legal" one$ for kids:
https://www.cchrint.org/psychiatric-...hiatric-drugs/
very important point!
this is really, really, really bad.
- legal addcition because it's cheaper than therapy.
- even more so as the kids are still growing - irreperable damage to their organisms

common sense is a lost cause.
 
Old 06-25-2019, 02:10 PM   #55
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It is unfortunate this is a global problem but I see no end in sight. Drug dealers are too lazy to work so would rather get rich quick by selling/manufacturing drugs like meth, crack, heroin, etc. People have psychological issues and escape with drugs, then get hooked and the cycle continues. The laws in other countries where they put drug dealers to death may work to deter some people, but others get away with it. Death penalty doesn't work here in the US. We have the death penalty for murder in some states (my state has an express lane), and people still kill each other like it's the "purge".

I want to say "Darwin's law" to those who get hooked and end up dead because they can't pass their addictive habits onto kids or create more addicts by raising kids in a horrible environment, but that doesn't solve the problem. Rehabilitation solves the problem, but unfortunately here in the US, we don't care about this, or at least not enough. We would rather look outward (outside the country) instead, but that's off topic so won't go there.

It is a sad state of affairs really.
 
Old 06-26-2019, 05:43 PM   #56
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I don't know why enorbet can't read my posts. I never mentioned legal versus illegal. Why does he keep saying that? He was getting on my nerves with the "can you read comment"
It wasn't "can you read?" it was "didn't you read?" and that's a rather important distinction and one in which the latter should give no offense.

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Just my opinion, if you use drugs then you are causing some hardship somewhere and more than likely to yourself, your family, your place of employment and even to the security of the nation.
I see this POV as a hugely important and bad side effect of making criminals out of users/addicts because what you seem to mean when you use the term "drugs" is very different and exclusive compared to what really defines drugs in reality. It seems that for you if it is illegal it is "drugs" while if it is legal it is somehow transformed into something like "food" or "medicine" but whatever the term it translates to "harmless" and possibly "beneficial".

Did you know sugar is more addictive than cocaine? Did you know you can overdose and die from Tylenol (acetaminophen)or effectively commit slow suicide with it in smaller doses over time? Coffee is a drug, pure and simple. It has some nutritional value, only a very little, but do you imagine people drink it (something like 400,000,000,000 (that's 400 Billion) cups consumed on average every year worldwide) for nutrition? Don't get me wrong. I'm not against coffee. I'm just trying to point out that some non-nutritious, non-medical drugs are beneficial (unlike sugar). Another possible example is the use of small amounts of Aderall or beta blockers for focus and fighting such conditions as ADD. Some might argue that the fact my father was given amphetamine while on guard duty during WWII was beneficial. The line can be exceedingly blurry between detrimental and beneficial.


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Do I read? Yes I do. Here you go.

"Heart disease: 614,348
Cancer: 591,699
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 147,101
* Accidents (unintentional injuries): 136,053 *
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 133,103
Alzheimer's disease: 93,541
Diabetes: 76,488
Influenza and pneumonia: 55,227
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 48,146
* Intentional self-harm (suicide): 42,773"

Now you tell me from that, what caused all of those? I can look at more than a few on that list and suspect that their lives may have been better had they not smoked, drank, did drugs, engaged in unsafe behavior when drunk and on drugs and may just maybe would have not committed suicide had they had a better mental outlook.

Bet a few could have lived a better life had they eaten better and got some exercise.
On the above list I added * to the items unlikely to be possibly linked to just sugar alone and obesity and it's consequences are a huge public problem of epidemic proportions, first in the US and now all over the planet. If a foreign country altered our food and seduced our children into consuming an addictive and life-changing substance while actively and legally thwarting unaltered food we'd probably declare, so why do we allow ourselves to do it?

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Yet no where on that list does it show the cost of their actions. No where does it tell me about their family and community.
Of course choices have consequences and they are amplified by large numbers of people associating together, good and bad. That's just Life or do you imagine that a government could or even should take away choice to protect us from ourselves? Do you imagine it is possible or even desirable to achieve a no risk life? Even if we ignore the consequences of that choice, how can that possibly be a good thing?

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I know my cousin died early from smoking and drinking and other drugs but his death was ruled a heart attack. What a needless loss. What a foolish outlook that one can expect to live better by using recreational drugs. Free from the government doesn't mean it's OK either. How long do you think a heroin addict can last? How well can they expect to do in society? You haven't solved anything, just moved it. I prefer solutions.
Drugs are simply substances for which we have receptors in our brains since we manufacture similar substances ourselves as part of bodily function. If our brains didn't employ opiate-like substances we make inside our own bodies, our brains wouldn't respond to opiate-like substances made outside our bodies. Not everyone has the same physical makeup nor the same chemical balance. Some people are born with or into conditions that are unbalanced and problematic and these people (which on some level includes most people) are naturally attracted to foods, medicines, drugs, etc. to self-medicate and live a somehow better life and the parts of our brains that respond to such substances is extremely primitive and subconscious so we do not discriminate beyond the moment. We don't recognize the threat until it has manifested itself all around us and often, then it is very late and sometimes too late. It should be obvious that conditions outside ourselves also contribute, such things as economic conditions and prospects of improving further instigate and reinforce relying on substances when all other paths are blocked.

One major problem with the Legal War on Drugs is that it puts a lid on most objective discussion and information and puts people with medical issues in close contact with and dependent on criminals. I am a solution oriented guy just like you are, jefro, but I totally disagree that legal sanctions are a solution in this case. I think history, and the "Portuguese Experiment" that started this thread demonstrate that difference.
 
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^ +1.

It really doesn't harm anybody if you grow mary-jane in your garden.

I cannot understand how in 2019 people can still use the word "drugs" in such a general way.
Police certainly don't.
Drugs do not automatically equal criminality, physical addiction, depression and suicide.
Here's an interesting view (in german) on what exactly a lethal dose of marihuana is.

Then again, most of the posts here are from 2016.
 
Old 06-27-2019, 01:29 AM   #58
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... a lethal dose of marihuana is ...
never heard about lethal dose.
 
Old 06-27-2019, 02:04 AM   #59
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I totally agree with enorbet, ondoho and ////// on this one.

It causes far more harm to people and society to unnecessarily criminalize people for what they choose to put into THEIR own body (and/or DO with THEIR body). If it was not illegal to grow and sell things like weed, then most people would not be turning to the "illegal drug dealer" to begin with - they would either grow it themselves or as in at least some countries, go to a legal dealer, who pays tax just like anyone else who legally earns their money.

It's important to also realize that someone selling you legal drugs in your local pharmacy is also effectively "dealing drugs", albeit legally. It's only "illegal" because some moron politician made a law against it - that doesn't in itself mean that it's morally wrong to do it. There are many laws that only exist for the government's own benefit, that don't exist for any other reason. And only exist because some moron thinks everyone should live the way THEY "approve of". It's called "ideological bullshit".
 
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never heard about lethal dose.
Listen to the song

OK, the story goes like this:

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Hank was working the docks in a harbour.
One day, he was just smoking a cigarette, a chain above him broke and dropped a lethal dose of 400kg of Red Afghan on top of him.

Moral: if hash was legalised one could tranport it more securely, and Hank would still be alive.
 
  


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