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Old 08-16-2016, 07:56 PM   #16
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Let's face it: we effectively bought those medals. I don't see how that is any more sporting than the Russian "National Doping Agency". If anything, the Russian method is fairer. Anyone can compete on equal terms with Russian athletes if they are prepared to take the same drugs, but most of the world's athletes have no hope of competing on equal terms with British ones because their countries don't have that kind of money to spend.
So you're saying countries like USA, China, Russia etc don't throw money at their athletes? Gold medals in the olympics are very important for the PR of any country, just like having the best weapons or the most nukes.
 
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Ever since I was a young 'un during the height of the Cold War, the Olympics, and particularly the "medal count," have had an undercurrent of politics and nationalism dominance, except for those times it was an overcurrent.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...ic-competition
 
Old 08-17-2016, 01:09 AM   #18
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So you're saying countries like USA, China, Russia etc don't throw money at their athletes? Gold medals in the Olympics are very important for the PR of any country, just like having the best weapons or the most nukes.
Of course other rich countries do the same. The point is that most competing countries are poor and can't afford to do this, so it isn't a level playing field to begin with. I get annoyed by the pretence that this is about sportsmanship and physical excellence (as in 'Chariots of Fire') when it's actually about money and nationalism. It's the continuation of war by other means.
 
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Which I think was my point. To say that it is unfair on some countries is naive, all human culture is unfair to some portion of the population and beneficial to another, rightly or wrongly ( wrongly in my opinion ), but is the real world we have to live in.
 
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Of course other rich countries do the same. The point is that most competing countries are poor and can't afford to do this, so it isn't a level playing field to begin with. I get annoyed by the pretence that this is about sportsmanship and physical excellence (as in 'Chariots of Fire') when it's actually about money and nationalism. It's the continuation of war by other means.
I've been enjoying the Olympics, but the thing that has been niggling me is the emphasis on the UK's medal count, and particularly its gold medal count as compared to China's. This isn't what it should be about. It should be about personal excellence, pure and simple.
 
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and there should be unicorns, but here aint.
 
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Love the Olympics, but not the NBC/Comcast coverage in my area. It'd be great if one could stream whichever event one were interested in without a cable contract. Without a contract one is limited to broadcast, which in my area consists of hours of the same things: diving, swimming, womens's gymnastics & beach volleyball and running... and of course all the commentary. Hey, how about streaming with commercials for the Olympics? How about a limited contract with cable or satellite just for the Olympics?
 
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I've been enjoying the Olympics, but the thing that has been niggling me is the emphasis on the UK's medal count, and particularly its gold medal count as compared to China's. This isn't what it should be about. It should be about personal excellence, pure and simple.
While you have athletes representing nation states and wearing their colours you will have this.
 
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Ironically that's very true to the spirit of the ancient Olympics. Of course the Greeks who competed at Olympia were representing their cities, not their country, but they certainly were not competing as individuals. It was not about individual excellence but about winning glory for your city. And there were no silver or bronze medals; only the winner got a prize.

If you won, they would put up a statue to you in the market place. If you came second, you would return home in disgrace. No one would want to admit that they even knew you.
 
Old 08-19-2016, 07:12 PM   #25
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Look here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-37129276

Even some of the 'poorer' countries reward their athletes better than we do.
 
Old 08-19-2016, 08:23 PM   #26
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It's all relative.

According to The Local, Denmark's excited over 13 medals: http://www.thelocal.dk/20160819/with...-olympics-ever
 
  


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