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Old 01-11-2020, 11:56 AM   #1
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How do opensource developers earn a living with their GPLv3 licensed product?


I have a question. How do opensource developers earn a living with their GPLv3 licensed product?

Also, I heard someone a high-level academic teacher at a prestigious university say that software is intellectual property. It should always be copyright protected.

I have no doubt about intellectual property but I have problems with accepting the fact to inscribe it as copyright property. I want to believe in Free Software Foundation and GNU founder Richard Stallman's motto.


If that is the case then how does a Gnu Public Licensed Version 3 product or software can help the developer have a decent living so his life doesn't end up like Newtonian-Rhapson's Rhapson or Tesla or Darwinian theory's first forefather Wallace whose name is not taken anymore and Darwin got all the credit?

I am a vehement supporter of GPLv3. I believe in Libre or the freedom to use, change or modify the code and sell the source code with the license intact. But then how does that benefit the original programmer who worked so hard to write the code?

Radiohead released their album free of charge I believe once. I am also a poet and programmer. So how can I earn a decent amount of living so I live a good humble and moderate life, don't become too greedy about money and be content with whatever I have?

Linus Torvald is an ideal example of this. His net worth is not like other billionaires of his field. But he is satisfied with himself. He is always happy.

But I need to know how to earn money in the first place with GPLv3?


Thank you.
 
Old 01-11-2020, 12:12 PM   #2
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The GPL is just a license, a license you can slap on source code, for example, but that code still has to be written to get that GPL applied to it.
You can always hold that hostage and only write code you get contracted for, for example, or simply ask for support via donations and other such things.

After all, just because it's GPL'd doesn't mean a good programmer can be easily replaced by someone who is much worse without people generally noticing.

So while anyone can work with 'your neat software project' that doesn't mean they output the same top quality as you.
The GPL just means that anyone using the code has to go GPL, too.

One of the projects I worked on had a few sponsored key people who were paid via donations and grants, and others working for free, and it all worked out, since the sponsored ones were workhorses that nobody could deny.
They literally did the most heavy lifting, and since that means the software you yourself possibly love to use stays alive:
Well, either get more 'swole' yourself to rise to such a level, or be content that while you're not making oodles of dosh off it, you're getting something that makes your life easier (and possibly more pleasant) in other ways (just like money does).
 
Old 01-11-2020, 01:44 PM   #3
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Really creative people create because they have to. They just can't leave it alone. If they can make a good living from what they create, so much the better. If not, they get a day job and do their creative work in the evening. That goes for musicians, writers, painters and software developers.

Copyright was invented, not to keep creative people creating, but to finance the middlemen that were needed to get their work out to the public: publishers, printers, impressarios, record companies, art galleries and the like. These were commercial undertakings and they would fold if they couldn't make a profit.

Now that everything is going online, the middlemen are increasingly unnecessary and so copyright is becoming pointless.

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Old 01-11-2020, 01:54 PM   #4
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Also, I heard someone a high-level academic teacher at a prestigious university say that software is intellectual property. It should always be copyright protected.
And would this person mind being named and cited?
 
Old 01-11-2020, 02:49 PM   #5
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And would this person mind being named and cited?
Sorry. I don't want to give reference to this highly esteemed person and an honorary person. I don't want to put him into a false position. Extremely sorry. I have a high regard for that person. He taught programming language so eloquently that it is unbelievable and unimaginable. Very few people could do that. I owe an unending debt to him. So I don't want to hurt him. It was just his personal opinion. And I respect it. And I have no hard feelings about it too.

So just thinking, is freelancing opensource software a way to make a contract with the buyer, submit the final product, and earn money and a good idea?

I heard freelancing software development is a big thing now. A few of my cousins are doing it.


Is that true? If I make it GPLv3 will it affect how I earn money through freelancing?
 
Old 01-11-2020, 02:56 PM   #6
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If you want money for sure then get a contract/commission, otherwise you cannot expect to be paid, even if you go proprietary.
Creating software with the intent to make money and just releasing it without anyone explicitly asking for it ...well, you can't expect anyone to buy.
 
Old 01-11-2020, 07:06 PM   #7
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...I heard someone a high-level academic teacher at a prestigious university say that software is intellectual property. It should always be copyright protected...
The academic could have just as easily used the term "imaginary property". As soon as the code is written it is protected by copyright legislation - the author doesn't get a choice. The author does get to choose the conditions of use by the licence they use. Copylefting by using the GPL V3 relies on the same legislation.

As far as making money via the GPL is concerned, the earliest method was established when RMS sold manuals for his software. Selling support is another, and being employed to write software is a third.
 
Old 01-13-2020, 12:27 AM   #8
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I have a question. How do opensource developers earn a living with their GPLv3 licensed product?
Some are paid by a company that finds their work useful for their business but do not wish to monetize the product itself, instead using it to facilitate some aspect of their operations, selling hardware that relies on the software, etc. Some are paid by a non-profit foundation set up specifically to fund the development of free software.

Some have day jobs that have no or only a tangential connection to their free software work, which they do as a hobby.

Some companies (Google is perhaps the best-known one that engages in this practice) give their employees an allotted amount of working time (e.g. 20%/one day a week) to work on free software projects that interest them--sort of a hybrid of the above two approaches.

Sometimes, providing support services can provide a revenue stream.

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I have no doubt about intellectual property but I have problems with accepting the fact to inscribe it as copyright property. I want to believe in Free Software Foundation and GNU founder Richard Stallman's motto.
All GPL software is under copyright. Indeed, some provisions of the GPL (especially the "if you redistribute, you must do so under the terms that this software was licensed to you") necessarily depend on the fact that the software is copyrighted to be meaningful. After all, a software license is merely a copyright holder exercising their right to offer use of their copyrighted product under the terms they dictate.
 
Old 01-13-2020, 04:36 AM   #9
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Also, I heard someone a high-level academic teacher at a prestigious university say that software is intellectual property. It should always be copyright protected.

I have no doubt about intellectual property but I have problems with accepting the fact to inscribe it as copyright property. I want to believe in Free Software Foundation and GNU founder Richard Stallman's motto.
I believe you may be conflating or confusing copyright with software patents.
 
  


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