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Old 11-25-2019, 05:13 PM   #1
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Help me decide on buying a computer?


I'm looking for a Desktop PC for light use. (SFF is fine.) Just emailing and MS Word, that sort of thing. I've narrowed it down to two. (Although I am open to better suggestions.)

1) Dell https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop...v3470w10ps5063 $299 from Dell flyer

Questions: 1) (From the Tech Specs & Customization tab) Is the tray able to read and write CDs and DVDs or is that extra?
2) Does the computer have Wi-fi capability?
3) Might MS give me a hard time adding MS Office Home and Student since this is a business computer?

2) HP https://www.bestbuy.com/site/hp-desk...?skuId=6366134 $379 on Black Friday at Best Buy

I was thinking (I'm no tech expert in this stuff) the HP might be worth the extra $79 but then I saw its processor speed was only 2.6 GHz. But then I thought maybe the SSD makes up for that.

And the reviews for the Dell were kind of bad, whereas the reviews for the HP were pretty good, several stating the computer was fast.

Any opinion on which is better and any feedback at all is appreciated. Thanks.

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Old 11-25-2019, 05:54 PM   #2
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Of the two, I'm partial to HP (in general). Historically, I've found HP to hold up and perform better, all else being equal. Note: I've not looked at the specs you provided.

The answers to 1) and 2) should be in the specs for the 'puter.
The limits to MS Office Home and Student have nothing to do with the "kind" of computer it's used on. If you're loading it to use only in your business, you'd be in violation of the "rules" for that version. I believe the specifics are available at the MS website, or maybe even on on the box.

What is the RAM on each machine?
What processor(s) are on each machine, at what speeds?
What OS (read: version of Windows) does each run?
Is your budget that limited? Have you looked at $500 'puters?
Do both systems include peripherals? Do you need new peripherals?

Finally, how is this a Linux related question? Should be moved to non-*nix General, IMO

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Old 11-25-2019, 08:35 PM   #3
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I too would tend to lean towards HP.

See if any web sites offer a linux test on either. Phronix is one that tests a lot of things. A real test would be best if you can find it.

Yes, you have to check what you might get for the money. If it doesn't mention an optical drive then I'd assume you won't get one.

The way you buy a computer has nothing to do with aftermarket programs.


Disclaimer.
Both companies have sort of cheated me over the years. Dell cheated me out of $60. They said a business computer returned won't get the sales tax refunded.
 
Old 11-25-2019, 09:56 PM   #4
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Of the two, I'm partial to HP (in general). Historically, I've found HP to hold up and perform better, all else being equal. Note: I've not looked at the specs you provided.

The answers to 1) and 2) should be in the specs for the 'puter.
The limits to MS Office Home and Student have nothing to do with the "kind" of computer it's used on. If you're loading it to use only in your business, you'd be in violation of the "rules" for that version. I believe the specifics are available at the MS website, or maybe even on on the box.

What is the RAM on each machine?
What processor(s) are on each machine, at what speeds?
What OS (read: version of Windows) does each run?
Is your budget that limited? Have you looked at $500 'puters?
Do both systems include peripherals? Do you need new peripherals?

Finally, how is this a Linux related question? Should be moved to non-*nix General, IMO
Thanks. I searched and searched for the most appropriate forum and this was the best I could come up with. (I still can't find non-*nix General. Please give me a screenshot of where it is.)

And I looked at all the specs. I thought the big difference was the processor speeds and that the HP had an SSD. (So I didn't list all the specs in the body of my post.)

I'm a little worried about Dell adding stuff (regarding the peripherals), but if they, do I just won't buy it.
 
Old 11-25-2019, 10:00 PM   #5
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I too would tend to lean towards HP.

See if any web sites offer a linux test on either. Phronix is one that tests a lot of things. A real test would be best if you can find it.

Yes, you have to check what you might get for the money. If it doesn't mention an optical drive then I'd assume you won't get one.

The way you buy a computer has nothing to do with aftermarket programs.


Disclaimer.
Both companies have sort of cheated me over the years. Dell cheated me out of $60. They said a business computer returned won't get the sales tax refunded.
Thanks Jefro. I'm kind of leery of Dell myself. I called the 800 # to ask some questions and the customer service guy demanded I give my Dell account info (I don't have a Dell account) before he would answer any questions. I said, "Why do you need that information to answer my questions." He waffled some lame answer and transferred me to someone else. I hung up.

Plus Dell has all these add-ons where a $299 computer might end up an $800 computer. (Like the $299 is just for the case. lol)
 
Old 11-25-2019, 10:19 PM   #6
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Thanks. I searched and searched for the most appropriate forum and this was the best I could come up with. (I still can't find non-*nix General. Please give me a screenshot of where it is.)

And I looked at all the specs. I thought the big difference was the processor speeds and that the HP had an SSD. (So I didn't list all the specs in the body of my post.)

I'm a little worried about Dell adding stuff (regarding the peripherals), but if they, do I just won't buy it.
Is there some reason you didn’t answer the questions I asked in #2?

The non-nix General forum is here https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/general-10/
...but request to move to it using the report button ...do not duplicate this thread there...
 
Old 11-25-2019, 10:46 PM   #7
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Is there some reason you didn’t answer the questions I asked in #2?

The non-nix General forum is here https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/general-10/
...but request to move to it using the report button ...do not duplicate this thread there...
Thanks. Wow. I would've never found that.

And I didn't answer your questions because I thought they were rhetorical. Like you were just saying, 'What's the overall condition of the computer?' (And that I should take that into consideration.)

RAM HP:8 Dell:4
Processor HP: AMD Ryzen 3 Processor Dell: Intel® Core™ i3 8100
OS: HP: Windows 10 Home Dell: Windows 10 Professional
Budget? Pretty limited. Want to spend less than $400
Peripherals: Wasn't sure what you were asking.



And I reported the post being in the wrong forum. Thanks

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Old 11-25-2019, 11:23 PM   #8
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Do you need W10 pro for any reason? There are a few things for business but most home users have no need.
 
Old 11-26-2019, 01:54 AM   #9
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That's an apple vs. orange comparison, Intel CPU vs AMD CPU, 4G RAM vs 8G RAM, 1000MB HD vs 256MB SSD, USB 3.0 vs USB 3.1, Windows Pro vs Windows Home. AMD's model naming and numbering is too complicated for me to determine how to compare a Vega 8 to Intel HD 630, but I suspect the difference is minimal given the price range. Is the Vega 8 a discrete GPU? Does it have its own RAM, or does it share system RAM like the HD 630? The RAM difference plus storage difference plus USB difference minus Windows license difference approximately account for the higher HP price. CPU performance is likely minimal. AMD gets a little more oomph out of its GHz.

I've only ever bought brand name PCs twice in my life, both times Dell with Intel CPU & graphics. Among my operational 64-bit PCs now are four Dells, two HPs, 1 Apple and twelve self-builts using Asus (3), MSI (3), eCS (1), Biostar (2) and Gigabyte (2) motherboards, nine with Intel CPU and chipsets, two with AMD/NForce or VIA. All my older are either self-built or Dell. HP's quality difference between 40 years ago and now is firmly etched in my brain. To me, that and other experience spell the bigger the company, the less you get for your dollar in quality or features or both. If I ever buy a brand name PC again, it will not be produced by that top size PC company.

Having RAM shared by video, I'd require more than 4GB RAM.
 
Old 11-26-2019, 05:18 AM   #10
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Have you considered buying a second hand computer from a broker? Most commercial/financial/etc companies go through an upgrade process where they renew their desktops every three years or so. The "old" computers are then resold by brokers after they've been checked over and refurbished as necessary. So unless you're really into having a spangly new shiny shiny expensive job, a cheaper second user job with a higher spec might fill the bill. I'm using an HP Z400 quad core Xeon processor, 16Gb Ram and 2Tb disk system rather than a standard desktop system, ideal for 3D model rendering and printing over the usual surfing and Office work.

Just a thought...

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Old 11-26-2019, 05:34 AM   #11
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Old 11-26-2019, 06:53 AM   #12
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Have you considered buying a second hand computer from a broker?
My last "general" laptop was a Dell that I bought through one of these companies 2 years ago and for under €300 ($350) got Dell E6230 Core i5 8GB 128GB SSD 12.5 Laptop with Win10 and it's been a great little laptop and I've been very happy with it. The price I got mine for is around 1/3rd of what it cost brand new and about the same price as an "entry level" laptop at the time, and an entry level that had a slower processor, less RAM and something like a 256Gb spinner.

[edit]Plus, you're technically recycling / repurposing and can feel a little better about the environment.

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Old 11-26-2019, 09:41 AM   #13
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You should also checkout Dell outlet or HP outlet. I purchased one of the Dell outlet machines about 7-years ago (for about 1/2 the cost), and still using it; ofcourse battery is dead, but that's expected.
http://www.hp.com/sbso/buspurchase_refurbished.html
https://www.dell.com/learn/us/en/22/...=us&l=en&s=dfh
 
Old 11-26-2019, 06:39 PM   #14
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Do you need W10 pro for any reason? There are a few things for business but most home users have no need.
No. Don't need pro.
 
Old 11-26-2019, 06:40 PM   #15
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That's an apple vs. orange comparison, Intel CPU vs AMD CPU, 4G RAM vs 8G RAM, 1000MB HD vs 256MB SSD, USB 3.0 vs USB 3.1, Windows Pro vs Windows Home. AMD's model naming and numbering is too complicated for me to determine how to compare a Vega 8 to Intel HD 630, but I suspect the difference is minimal given the price range. Is the Vega 8 a discrete GPU? Does it have its own RAM, or does it share system RAM like the HD 630? The RAM difference plus storage difference plus USB difference minus Windows license difference approximately account for the higher HP price. CPU performance is likely minimal. AMD gets a little more oomph out of its GHz.

I've only ever bought brand name PCs twice in my life, both times Dell with Intel CPU & graphics. Among my operational 64-bit PCs now are four Dells, two HPs, 1 Apple and twelve self-builts using Asus (3), MSI (3), eCS (1), Biostar (2) and Gigabyte (2) motherboards, nine with Intel CPU and chipsets, two with AMD/NForce or VIA. All my older are either self-built or Dell. HP's quality difference between 40 years ago and now is firmly etched in my brain. To me, that and other experience spell the bigger the company, the less you get for your dollar in quality or features or both. If I ever buy a brand name PC again, it will not be produced by that top size PC company.

Having RAM shared by video, I'd require more than 4GB RAM.
Thanks a lot for the information, but what do you mean by 'having RAM shared by video'?
 
  


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