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have i got a fair deal?

my computers graphics card messed up and was sent to repairs... prior to going out on repair it was an athlon-xp 2400+ ~2GHz with an ATI Radeon 7500LE with 64MB graphics ram...

however after repairs from the repair center report on what they've done is to replace the graphics card and the motherboard...

so when i got the machine back today... when i checked out the specs of ma machine... it is now an athlon-xp 1800+ ~1.5GHz with an ATI Radean 9200Series with 128MB of graphics ram...

have i got a fair deal or not?

Thank in advance...

better graphics card - less cpu - not a good deal IMO
Why did they change your cpu?
and which Athlon cpu did you have? get? what is the cache?

i did have a Athlon-xp 2400+ which ran at 2GHz, but now it is a Athlon-xp 1800+ running at 1.5Ghz both CPU's have the same amount of cache 256KB...

I don't know the details, but giving up 25% cpu speed
when a video card is replaced sounds rather fishy to me...

Surely they could have just plugged in a new graphics card, that sounds really odd that they had to change so much.

I would never accept a CPU reduction like that. CPU is more important to me than video...

What the <bleep> does this have to do with Linux? Moved to General where its more suitable.

yeah... i spoke to them and explained the situation... and they told to send it back to get looked into and thats what i'm doing...

just going off the point a bit...

proir to going into repair when i ran glxgears i was getting an output as running a little over 1200pfs and that was with a Radeon 7500 with 64MB graphics ram... but with the Radeon 9200 with 128MB its only doing 1034fps...

any ideas?

thank...

You lost 25% of your cpu - amazing glxgears isn't lower

but isnt the purpose of the graphics card to deal with such processing rather than the passing it over to the CPU?

My Nvidia GeForce 440MX 64MB on an AMD 1 Gig with 128 MB runs glxgears from 1500 to 1700

:rolleyes: Is that an AMD Kernel? :confused:

My system should be MEGA LAME compared to yours :eek:

You running that on 1x AGP ?

Just had a 2275 on my glxgears :D

DrNeil is ur pc on performance enhancing substances? :D coz urs ...

it was an Acer G500 Athlon-xp 2400+ 512MB Ram Ati Radeon 7500 with 64MB a 266Mhz FSB... and glxgears was doing a little over 1200fps on AGP x4 (added the radeon specifig bits in xorg.conf from one of the post on LQ)

when it arrived from repairs
Athlon-xp 1800+ 512MB Ram Ati Radeon 9200 with 128MB running at BIOS said it was on AGP x4 (with the above xorg.conf file) and was doing 1034fps to be exact in its default window size...

currently ma Lappy an IBM T20 with a PIII 700Mhz, 128MB Ram, S3 Savage with 8MB does 70pfs...:o

Quote:

Originally posted by marsques
but isnt the purpose of the graphics card to deal with such processing rather than the passing it over to the CPU?

Yes, basically. Here's some quick stats I compiled for you to compare.
These are three PCs here, each running Slackware with a 2.4.x kernel,
all running KDE, one browser, one email client, one xterm at the time
of these tests. I did not minimize the glxgears frame for these tests.
Just issued "glxgears" in xterm. The P4 2.4 (paul) has 1GB DDR333;
the Athlon XP 1600+ (peter) has 256MB DDR333; the Athlon XP 2600+
(james) has 256MB DDR400. All running current Nvidia driver. The
kernel on paul and peter are recompiled and optimized, almost no
modules; the kernel on james is default 2.4.26 bare.i

Code:

mingdao@paul:~$ uname -a

Linux paul 2.4.26 #2 Sat Sep 4 21:43:00 CST 2004 i686 unknown unknown GNU/Linux

mingdao@paul:~$ cat /etc/slackware-version

Slackware 10.0.0

mingdao@paul:~$ glxgears

14068 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2813.600 FPS

14130 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2826.000 FPS

14068 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2813.600 FPS

14126 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2825.200 FPS

13864 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2772.800 FPS

14006 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2801.200 FPS

X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).

mingdao@paul:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo

processor      : 0

vendor_id      : GenuineIntel

cpu family      : 15

model          : 2

model name      : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz

stepping        : 4

cpu MHz        : 2405.487

cache size      : 512 KB

fdiv_bug        : no

hlt_bug        : no

f00f_bug        : no

coma_bug        : no

fpu            : yes

fpu_exception  : yes

cpuid level    : 2

wp              : yes

flags          : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr

sse sse2 ss ht tm

bogomips        : 4797.23



root@paul:/home/mingdao# lspci

00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE/PE DRAM Controller/Host-Hub Interface (rev 02)

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1) (128MB video ram)

NB: This is an AGP 8X card on an AGP 4X motherboard



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anna@peter:~$ uname -a

Linux peter 2.4.23 #3 Thu Jan 1 22:09:03 CST 2004 i686 unknown unknown GNU/Linux

anna@peter:~$ cat /etc/slackware-version

Slackware 9.1.0

anna@peter:~$ glxgears

4477 frames in 5.0 seconds = 895.400 FPS

4600 frames in 5.0 seconds = 920.000 FPS

4600 frames in 5.0 seconds = 920.000 FPS

4600 frames in 5.0 seconds = 920.000 FPS

4598 frames in 5.0 seconds = 919.600 FPS

4602 frames in 5.0 seconds = 920.400 FPS

4600 frames in 5.0 seconds = 920.000 FPS

4594 frames in 5.0 seconds = 918.800 FPS

4576 frames in 5.0 seconds = 915.200 FPS

4590 frames in 5.0 seconds = 918.000 FPS

X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).

anna@peter:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo

processor      : 0

vendor_id      : AuthenticAMD

cpu family      : 6

model          : 10

model name      : AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2000+

stepping        : 0

cpu MHz        : 1666.767

cache size      : 256 KB

fdiv_bug        : no

hlt_bug        : no

f00f_bug        : no

coma_bug        : no

fpu            : yes

fpu_exception  : yes

cpuid level    : 1

wp              : yes

flags          : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mmxext 

3dnowext 3dnow

bogomips        : 3322.67



root@peter:/home/anna# lspci

00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8377 [KT400 AGP] Host Bridge

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] (rev a2)



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mingdao@james:~$ uname -a

Linux james 2.4.26 #1 Thu Jul 8 13:46:47 CDT 2004 i686 unknown unknown GNU/Linux

mingdao@james:~$ cat /etc/slackware-version

Slackware 10.0.0

mingdao@james:~$ glxgears

4648 frames in 5.0 seconds = 929.600 FPS

5042 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1008.400 FPS

5040 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1008.000 FPS

5042 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1008.400 FPS

5041 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1008.200 FPS

5041 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1008.200 FPS

5042 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1008.400 FPS

5042 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1008.400 FPS

5039 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1007.800 FPS

5040 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1008.000 FPS

5034 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1006.800 FPS

5040 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1008.000 FPS

5034 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1006.800 FPS

X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).

mingdao@james:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo

processor      : 0

vendor_id      : AuthenticAMD

cpu family      : 6

model          : 10

model name      : AMD Athlon(TM) XP

stepping        : 0

cpu MHz        : 2300.139

cache size      : 512 KB

fdiv_bug        : no

hlt_bug        : no

f00f_bug        : no

coma_bug        : no

fpu            : yes

fpu_exception  : yes

cpuid level    : 1

wp              : yes

flags          : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow

bogomips        : 4587.52



root@james:/home/mingdao# lspci

00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8377 [KT400/KT600 AGP] Host Bridge (rev 80)

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] (rev c1) (64MB video ram)

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did they do this for you for free?

the hardware they put in is completly trash compared to the hardware they took out. I think your getting screwed.

the video card may be better, but why woudl they change the mainboard, esp without asking you?

i dunno about that, but go out and get youself one of the new sempron 3000's their selling for 150 bucks.

Hmm, 24bit vs 32bit X might be glx relevant, I run on 24 bit with a selfcompiled kernel Nvidia module.

Anyway, doesn't really matter, I think you should go back and tell them to stick their Processor where the sun doesn't shine.

Even if the graphics card is better, any non graphic thing will run slower. So in a game your AI/and anything else would have a significant performance loss.

... the original problem occured when there was not output to the monitor... from what the guy on the technical line said it could be a graphics card problem and send it in... but as i've said earlier when it came back it came with a better graphics card and from my looking into the BIOS its got more configurable options in the BIOS than on the one that was replaced... but as it was a 25% speed decrease on processor as was pointed out by one of the members in this forum... i did talk over the situation with the technical line person who said send it back for them to look into it... and it was picked up today in the morning...

Quote:

Originally posted by marsques
...i did talk over the situation with the technical line person who said send it back for them to look into it... and it was picked up today in the morning...

Just curious - what did they do this time?

after i explained what had happened... he said to hold on the line and disappeared for a while and then came back to say... got in to the BIOS and select the option "Load Optimized Defaults" and reboot the PC... after that went in to WinXP> My Computer> Right Click> Properties and it still said Athlon-XP 1800+ ~ 1500Mhz... ... then he said its best to send the machine in...

Quote:

Originally posted by marsques
i did have a Athlon-xp 2400+ which ran at 2GHz

Was that overclocked or something?

nope that was the speed the processosr ran... when i got it outa its original box...

coz on command line : cat /proc/cpuinfo the CPU speed was 1999Mhz and a bit, which is roughly 2GHz...

I'm not sure about 2400+'s clock speed, but am pretty sure that 2500+ runs at about 1800 MHZ and 2800+ at about 2000-2100 MHZ, so it's unlikely for a 2400+ to run at 2 GHZ.

Quote:

Originally posted by Warg
I'm not sure about 2400+'s clock speed, but am pretty sure that 2500+ runs at about 1800 MHZ and 2800+ at about 2000-2100 MHZ, so it's unlikely for a 2400+ to run at 2 GHZ.

The Athlon XP 2400+ Model 10 is a 266MHz cpu with a 256K L2 cache
that's rated at 2000MHz by AMD. If I'm not mistaken, they might have
a 333MHz bus model, also, but I think that didn't start until 2500+

i had a similair problem with emachines. i think that its a problem with the fsb jumper?

my 2800 came back after an RMA at 2200 speeds. they had the jumper in the wrong way and my fsb was 133 instead of 166.

yeah... that could have been what had happend..
http://www.icronticforums.com/showthread.php?t=5054

after ur post i searched on google a bit and came across the above...

wish i had come across this info before i had sent the PC back to the repair centre...