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Old 09-17-2019, 12:01 AM   #91
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Again, think about that in the future? Oh yeah you can't!
 
Old 09-17-2019, 12:18 AM   #92
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However, I do agree that the concept of swearwords is absurd. They're just a combination of letters like every other word. It's how you use them.
Actually no, the brain processes swear words, cursing and some other expressives differently than other speech, both for speakers and hearers.

Here is a brief slide presentation by linguistic researcher and teacher, Chrstopher Potts, with an interest in that specific area (there is quite a lot of interest in that it seems). You can find many other resources and research papers on the topic on his Stanford website.

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Acquisition:
Cursing begins as early as 1 year, though it takes longer to master
the proper usage conditions.
(Language Acquisition and Cognitive Growth)
Among empirical evidence that the brain handles cursing differently from other speech (from the slides):

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* Patients with right-hemisphere damage have trouble not only
with cursing but also with idioms, metaphor, and jokes.
* Patients with left-hemisphere damage have trouble with
language in general, but not with proper names.
* After basal ganglia surgery, swearing was impaired along with
lots of rote forms of speech. “Only propositional speech,
idioms, and social greetings were preserved.”

...

* Speakers with RH damage generally cannot curse, despite
otherwise fairly normal linguistic abilities.
* Speakers with LH damage often can still curse
‘nonpropositionally’ despite severe language impairment.
* Propositional cursing depends on a functioning LH.

...

Jay et al. (2008) report on experimental work showing that we
remember expressives (taboo words) better, and differently, than
other language, even emotive descriptive language.

...

Steven Pinker, The Stuff of Thought (p. 339)
“Thanks to the automatic nature of speech perception, a taboo
word kidnaps our attention and forces us to consider its unpleasant
connotations. That makes all of us vulnerable to a mental assault
whenever we are in earshot of other speakers, as if we are
strapped to a chair and could be given a punch or shock at any
time.”
Interesting how that works!

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Old 09-17-2019, 09:02 AM   #93
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I think some people forget that animals simply... Don't have such a thing as consent in their natural habitats? This is trying to force humanity into nature, which I thought people like these were against.
 
Old 09-17-2019, 09:47 PM   #94
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Grandchildren are vessels of youth, optimism and Hope, and the wonderful thing is by the time they screw up their lifes you're either dead or completely out of it. People don't say that enough. LOL
--3rd Rock from the Sun

Eating less meat isn't going to stop zoos from saving just a handful of creatures to be gawked at... raising awareness doesn't matter when there's 7.7 billion multiplying and many supporting fairy tales like demons and hell.

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Old 09-18-2019, 04:42 AM   #95
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“Before you diagnose yourself with depression or low self-esteem, first make sure that you are not, in fact, just surrounded by assholes.”
— @debihope

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Old 09-18-2019, 04:49 AM   #96
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— Sigmund Freud”
In actuality it came from a relatively unknown Twitter user called @debihope, and the quote got misattributed to Freud. It doesn't really sound like the kind of think Freud would say.

https://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/10/25/diagnose/

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Old 09-18-2019, 04:53 AM   #97
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In actuality it came from a relatively unknown Twitter user called @debihope, and the quote got misattributed to Freud. It doesn't really sound like the kind of think Freud would say.

https://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/10/25/diagnose/


I must admit that I did not check its provenance, it was a "quote of the day" on some website if I recall...
 
Old 09-18-2019, 05:01 AM   #98
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I must admit that I did not check its provenance, it was a "quote of the day" on some website if I recall...
Well, its message it still very valid!
 
Old 09-18-2019, 05:18 AM   #99
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Will all slip and break a hip or something human. Tho for the first one as a skateboarder I'm less likely, impeccable balance.

They say if you stop eating certain meats you'll be healthier or even reverse some health issues. My dad says it's arthritis is way better. https://www.forksoverknives.com/7-th...eat/#gs.3xu5d6
 
Old 09-18-2019, 05:30 AM   #100
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Will all slip and break a hip or something human. Tho for the first one as a skateboarder I'm less likely, impeccable balance.

They say if you stop eating certain meats you'll be healthier or even reverse some health issues. My dad says it's arthritis is way better. https://www.forksoverknives.com/7-th...eat/#gs.3xu5d6
I tend to steer clear of what "they say" to a certain extent. There was a 14 year old in the news a few weeks ago who went permanently blind due to only eating chips and white bread. An extreme example of diet affecting health from an early age, so diet is important. But I am sure that there are benefits to reducing certain foods, but in some cases, I think it is better to have a little bit of some things than none at all. I have not personally had any health issues and eat pretty much everything, but avoid the obvious things like really fatty food or sugar/cakes, soft drinks, etc. - although I do drink beer (ales only) and wine (red only) and probably do not deserve to be healthy! My sisters on the other hand, tried being vegetarians, vegans and basically tried diet after diet - after 5-10 years of this, they both have loads of health issues and the doctors said they were lacking nutrients from cutting out too many things from their diets.

Anyway, the point is to exercise caution when taking diet advice from the internet (or your sisters)!
 
Old 09-18-2019, 05:57 AM   #101
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I have a friend who frequently comments on the dangers of "not real socialism," arguing that attempts at "real" socialism always decay into "not real" socialism, complete with poverty and oppression for all but the ruling class. A few months back he pointed me to an article about the merits of capitalism - which, according to the author, people would accept more readily if it wasn't for the problems caused by, well, not-real-capitalism.

I think I'll go play horseshoes.
I think your above post is absolutely accurate and astute. Political-Economic systems (are there any other kind?) are never static. Add to the nature of evolution, aka "progress", that it is never possible to begin a system as a level playing field, the ones most endowed will grow faster and at some point gain the power to modify the rules of the game to benefit themselves at the expense of everyone else not in the same condition. "Late Stage" does not apply only to Capitalism. It is the very nature of The Beast.
 
Old 09-18-2019, 06:39 AM   #102
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Wow! This has become a sprawling thread. We now have food/diet (including the ethics of such choices), population, swearing, and politico-economic systems all in a thread about Political Correctness, and not without some justification. Political Correctness touches all of these subjects and very often is extremely un or mis informed. Diet guidelines have been manipulated for centuries by those who produce food and it is as common (and ironically funny) as the billboards of cows extolling "Eat More Chicken!"

This also applies to the ethics of diet since the majority of humans now live in urban or suburban locations and have little or no experience with any animals other than dogs and cats, let alone wild as opposed to merely domesticated animals. Most have no clue that hunting and meat eating is a large part of why game animals so outnumber predators considered essentially inedible. Wild animals NEVER die peacefully of old age. Many are literally eaten while still alive, watching themselves being eaten. Compared to that I think a bullet is a blessing. As for health, Vegans and Vegetarians face extreme difficulty in getting some nutrients that we are discovering are extremely important not only to physical but mental health. We evolved as and partly because of our being omnivores. It seems foolish to pretend that is not or no longer so. We can't eat rocks though a tribe in Africa does. They just aren't very healthy and don't live very long.

Swearing is a construct. It is foisted on others just as William the Conqueror forced Norman French on Anglo-Saxons making shorter words with hard consonants, especially if they were about somewhat vulgar or uncomfortable subjects, into cursing. Our brains respond to cursing differently exactly because of our awareness of others' expectations as well as the whole odd concept of the value of "bootleg" contraband. From the song of the same name - "Take you a glass of water. Make it against the law. See how good the water tastes when you can't have any at all".

As for Population it seems to me to be very important to add "sustainable" to that term. If we still produced, transported, and stored food stuffs in the manner of 100 years ago, it is highly unlikely the present global population would sustain for more than a few weeks at best. I'd like to point out that such concepts of overpopulation are common and not without some justification. After The Black Plague decimated Europe, there was indeed something of a boom time basically because of the laws of Supply and Demand. Individual lives became more viable, if not more valuable, when there were so few to fill needed niches. Opportunity was everywhere. However that should have also increased the rightful notion that people in general, especially under conditions of growth and need, are not drains but instead contributors, "profit centers. Diversity works... assuming supply can sustain it. The more it can, the more it can grow.

It might be instructive to realize that in the late 1960s a movement called ZPG arose. I know it was pretty big in the US, and iirc it was also international. It stands for Zero Population Growth as people were very concerned that the then current population could not be sustained... yet here we are with almost double that population and we haven't yet had wars over potable water, though that may yet occur.

As always throughout History, civilizations face real problems and often the ones that kill them are the areas they were least aware of or concerned about. Political Correctness, unnatural feigned politeness, is never a responsible answer when the questions are harsh reality, recognized or not.
 
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But to answer the original question, no, the world has not gone stark staring mad. It has ALWAYS been stark staring mad. Now we just notice it more because madness is encouraged.
+1 However i also start to support that idea abut most young people who are triggered millenials are simply bored. If they would have some activity like working out they would not have point to be triggered about such trivial issues as some animal consenting or not. When they eat vegetables do they ask if veggies consented? Maybe grass has feelings too.
 
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If you have ever watched the TV show "Horrible Histories", which is quite amusing I think - you notice that leaders and civilizations were really, really crazy in the past compared to today!
 
  


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