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Old 11-20-2020, 06:44 AM   #16
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It's seems like a marketing gimmick. To buy such a device, you've got to be clueless enough to believe you need it - and that's most likely the strategy. It reminds me of those catalogues you used to get in the post, with special can openers, windscreen wipers for glasses or scissors that can cut anything and other plastic devices for making certain tasks easier...

There are tablets, there are are smartphones and there are ChomeOS based laptops and all have fairly good accessibility features, magnifiers, etc.

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Old 11-20-2020, 08:21 AM   #17
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Cynwulf I think you may be reading more into it than there is. I mentioned my Mom was the first person I knew to own an internet connected PC some 30+ years ago, but now she's mid 90s and just wants an appliance like a toaster or refrigerator. You don't have to mess with it. You don't have to even think about it. You just hit the "On" button and go about your business. No worries about scandisk, defrag, weekly updates, virus and malware apps,(she stopped using windows after winXP) etc etc etc. She's been through all that and considers that high maintenance. To her that's a lot of "cost" with no benefit. BTW she also has a smartphone and a tablet but still enjoys her Wow PC.

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Old 11-20-2020, 09:24 AM   #18
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It's obviously not intended for people like us. It's for people who are terrified of computers. There are a lot of people my age who fall into that bracket. A growing problem for them is that everything is moving online: banking, shopping, interaction with the government...
I know of quite a few persons beyond retirement age, and some not yet there, who feel that they don't prefer to put financial information online and they do not do this. Some of them have smart phones, but they only use them for email, web searches, or (amazingly) social media. Well ... the reason why they use them for social media is that they are keeping in touch with younger family members. I wouldn't say that they're terrified, they just don't trust that information they'd consider to be needed to be protected, will be protected.
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This is called "digital exclusion" and it's recognised as a serious problem by all organisations that work with people in that age bracket. Forcing them to use a conventional computer (which will probably be running Windows!) isn't the answer. There are few things in this world more depressing and demoralising than being forced to use technology that you don't understand and don't trust. It makes you feel more excluded, not less so. Machines like this could be the solution.
My pet peeve, "naming a trend with a term".

Those that I know who eschew using technology for things like finances, purchases, etc. They get along. They do use tablets, phones, or computers, they get phone numbers and they call. At the very least, they'll give their credit card over the phone, because it's been years where you could do that, or they'll send a check. So they don't order much online, they do go shopping, and they don't complain about things. Most of them don't make a fuss, and you really only learn about it when you're talking to them and you bring up how you get a certain thing from Amazon or eBay and that's how they can do that, and they note that they won't do that for a certain reason. No real fuss, it's just their preference, which is a restraint choice versus their being afraid of something, they made a choice that the risk is beyond their level of acceptability. One could call if technophobic, they do not see it as such.

I don't get the sense that they are excluded from conducting their lives.
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@rtmistler were you ever tempted to flip open the phone and state "beam me up Scotty"?
I used to flip open my phone in mimicry of Captain Kirk, but I don't recall doing so specifically to be like him. Twas my downfall, the last time I did it, I flipped it open one-handed, and the display "kept going", to the floor. Amazingly (and I didn't analyze it in any way), the display hit face up and it was conducting the call counter 00:01, 00:02, ... and I was like, "I'm on my call, but I can't hear them?!? Unless I pick that up? ..." I just shut off my phone and called my wife back on a landline. For the record, she did hear me say "Awe MAN!!!" (not really, I swore like a sailor) before the call disconnected. Family was happy, that was our intro to smart phones.

Also for the record, my mother in law HAS a flip phone. She never uses it unless she breaks down on the road, and it's always off. But she does have a tablet and is on Facebook and Instagram, as I've said, to keep in touch with her grandchildren. I think in her case, she's either barely alone, or if she does go out without my father in law, her car is brand new, she's not going on an excursion, just no more than 10-15 miles away. So if she did have some sort of problem while out, she could power that on and call someone, it's just not come up and I think she's just kept the same phone for many years.
 
Old 11-20-2020, 10:02 AM   #19
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My pet peeve, "naming a trend with a term".
And usually because certain sectors stand to gain from selling products and services into those supposedly "digitally excluded" markets...
 
Old 11-20-2020, 01:47 PM   #20
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Cynwulf I think you may be reading more into it than there is. I mentioned my Mom was the first person I knew to own an internet connected PC some 30+ years ago, but now she's mid 90s and just wants an appliance like a toaster or refrigerator. You don't have to mess with it. You don't have to even think about it. You just hit the "On" button and go about your business. No worries about scandisk, defrag, weekly updates, virus and malware apps,(she stopped using windows after winXP) etc etc etc. She's been through all that and considers that high maintenance. To her that's a lot of "cost" with no benefit. BTW she also has a smartphone and a tablet but still enjoys her Wow PC.
Do they administer through the internet or software and at that cost with free support( which we all know is a joke...) or a monthly payment for support?

My toaster broke the other day, wow!

Do they assume selling them to old people that they won't have time to mess them up or just that they have more money to waste?

I'd recommend buying a $200+/- computer, rather than saving $200,,, then ask your support team to set it up the way you want it... even though they will usually administer it through the internet, wow!

But I understand defending Your Mom after she's made the wrong choice... hay she can still get a monthly administrator because apparently from their website it will need one.

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Old 11-20-2020, 05:15 PM   #21
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Heya Jamison,

It has nothing to do with how much time they have to "mess things up"... it's locked down. In this case Admin and User are strictly enforced so it's possible to download stuff like photos, movies, songs, etc but Users can't install anything or run any executables not specifically allowed by Admin. Updates are not monthly as security is rarely an issue in a locked down PC. I don't recall how often updates occur but I'm pretty sure it's measured in months. I would never own such a machine but I can't fault my Mom considering she's had it for like 6 years and still likes it.
 
Old 11-20-2020, 05:36 PM   #22
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As someone who blogged about making a computer for my 2-year old nephew. I can safely say any computer admin can do that plus keep stuff backed up.

Like I said, older people on average have more money to waste.
 
  


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