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removed001 08-28-2019 09:20 AM

Ha ha, GIMP's name is wrong and insulting?
 
Really,

this sort of political correctness s...s!

https://getglimpse.app/about/#what-i...-the-gimp-name

One day we will sit on our sunset chairs telling our children's children what it was like when men/speech was really free!

People are totally going mad and crazy to the bone!

I for myself will never use the GLIMPSE.

Long live The GIMP!

jsbjsb001 08-28-2019 09:42 AM

I was thinking it could mean something else, but I'm sure there's a rule that say's I can't elaborate...

Hint: what did your parents do to bring you into this world - what I thinking is related. That's all I'll say...

:jawa:

Timothy Miller 08-28-2019 09:53 AM

I hate overly politically correct ninnies. I wouldn't use glimpse even if it was made technically superior to the GIMP for that reason alone. VIVA LA GIMP!!

snowday 08-28-2019 10:21 AM

An estimated 10-15% of the population has some type of disability. And nearly 100% of us have a friend, family member, or co-worker with a disability. I think the Linux community should be open and welcoming to people of all abilities. In fact I would argue that the diversity of our community is its strength. Open source projects have the power to attract and serve users who might feel unsupported by Apple and Microsoft.

@Timothy Miller as a moderator you are in a position of power and responsibility. Is "I hate (group of people)" really what LinuxQuestions is all about?

Timothy Miller 08-28-2019 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by snowpine (Post 6030600)
An estimated 10-15% of the population has some type of disability. And nearly 100% of us have a friend, family member, or co-worker with a disability. I think the Linux community should be open and welcoming to people of all abilities. In fact I would argue that the diversity of our community is its strength. Open source projects have the power to attract and serve users who might feel unsupported by Apple and Microsoft.

@Timothy Miller as a moderator you are in a position of power and responsibility. Is "I hate (group of people)" really what LinuxQuestions is all about?

We all have personal opinions as well. This is my personal opinion of people who take offense at EVERY LITTLE THING no matter WHAT it is and expect EVERYONE to do what they want because "that offends me". People taking offense at EVERYTHING offends me.

hazel 08-28-2019 10:37 AM

They have a code of conduct too! Snowflakes!

jsbjsb001 08-28-2019 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by hazel (Post 6030611)
They have a code of conduct too! Snowflakes!

That offends me :p

Sefyir 08-28-2019 10:58 AM

Without being aware of this before, this is my logical take

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gimp
Usually Disparaging and Offensive. a term used to refer to a person who limps or is lame.
Quote:

In some countries it is considered a slur against disabled people
If there was a widely popular program installed on most distro's called retard, image manipulator program, it'd be fine?

In language A, gimp has no offensive basis but retard does
In language B, gimp has offensive basis but retard doesn't

I could further argue naming a program with any word that would break the following rule would count too, as long as that same word was not offensive in another language
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Do not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful, threatening, hostile or insulting.

snowday 08-28-2019 11:00 AM

@Timothy Miller you are making a "straw man" argument. Nobody in this discussion is "taking offense at every little thing" and nobody is "expecting everyone to do what they want." Forking an open source project is about giving people more choices, not censoring or restricting anybody's freedom.

Linux has less than 5% of the desktop market, and people with disabilities are 10-15% of the population, so to my way of thinking, friendly outreach to the disability community seems like a great way to attract new users. If word gets out about "Glimpse, a new open source project that is welcoming and inclusive of people disabilities," and we get some new users because of it, then I see that as a 'win.'

It seems like this discussion thread exists primarily to mock disability advocates ("Ha ha"), and I am simply raising a puzzled eyebrow at that, because generally we are not a hateful community, in my 10 years experience on this forum. If you really want to make a difference in the world, "punch up" toward people in power, don't "punch down" at disabled people and their allies.

A friendly reminder that any one of us could become disabled at any time, whether due to accident, illness, or aging.

Timothy Miller 08-28-2019 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by snowpine (Post 6030619)
@Timothy Miller you are making a "straw man" argument. Nobody in this discussion is "taking offense at every little thing" and nobody is "expecting everyone to do what they want." Forking an open source project is about giving people more choices, not censoring or restricting anybody's freedom.

Linux has less than 5% of the desktop market, and people with disabilities are 10-15% of the population, so to my way of thinking, friendly outreach to the disability community seems like a great way to attract new users. If word gets out about "Glimpse, a new open source project that is welcoming and inclusive of people disabilities," and we get some new users because of it, then I see that as a 'win.'

It seems like this discussion thread exists primarily to mock disability advocates ("Ha ha"), and I am simply raising a puzzled eyebrow at that, because generally we are not a hateful community, in my 10 years experience on this forum. If you really want to make a difference in the world, "punch up" toward people in power, don't "punch down" at disabled people and their allies.

A friendly reminder that any one of us could become disabled at any time, whether due to accident, illness, or aging.

You see it your way, I see it as a bunch of overly sensitive people whining about their offended by everything and it's brother and forking it to make it so it doesn't offend them. I don't wish them ill, but I'd never touch the program. If GIMP goes away I'll use darktable or something else rather than switch to something made by super uber-pc "oh, you can't say anything that's in any way negative in any language on any planet because that offends me" people. My opinion.

hazel 08-28-2019 11:18 AM

It would be very interesting (and informative) to see what physically disabled Linux users make of the Gimp. If they are offended by the name, then that would be a good argument for changing it. But I find it hard to take seriously the kind of people who always seem to be offended on behalf of someone else.

jsbjsb001 08-28-2019 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jsbjsb001 (Post 6030581)
I was thinking it could mean something else, but I'm sure there's a rule that say's I can't elaborate...

Hint: what did your parents do to bring you into this world - what I thinking is related. That's all I'll say...

:jawa:

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Originally Posted by jsbjsb001 (Post 6030613)
That offends me :p

Upon reading the link in OP again, it seems I was thinking right...

Anyway, "snort" described as "Snort is an open-source, free and lightweight network intrusion detection system (NIDS)" on it's website. Now does this mean I'm calling you a pig? Bear in mind Snort's website has a picture of a pig on it. Not a very flattering term... try calling a cop that. That doesn't mean you like them - in fact quite the opposite. I remember the last place I lived at, one of the neighbour's wifi AP's was called "187_AK47", you know what "187" means right? Anyways, change "NIDS" above to "AIDS", does this mean you're making fun of people who have AIDS, as in the disease? No, it's just a piece of software aptly named for the purpose it serves.

I'm with the OP on this one... political correctness :shrugs:

snowday 08-28-2019 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by hazel (Post 6030628)
It would be very interesting (and informative) to see what physically disabled Linux users make of the Gimp. If they are offended by the name, then that would be a good argument for changing it. But I find it hard to take seriously the kind of people who always seem to be offended on behalf of someone else.

The actor and comedian Geri Jewell (of "Facts of Life" and "Deadwood" fame) uses that word in her career and has discussed the reasons why in interviews. Basically, to summarize my understanding of her take on it, like any other slur (the "n word" for example) it is sometimes okay for members within the community to use it among themselves, but if you're outside of that community, it's best to avoid using that word. And you definitely don't want to play the "they call themselves that, so they have no right to get offended when I call them that" card! ;)

hazel 08-28-2019 12:45 PM

There was a rather similar brouhaha in London recently concerning the supporters of a football club called Tottenham Hotspur (Spurs). A lot of Jews live around Tottenham and Spurs was always seen as their club. As a result, it attracted a lot of nasty antisemitic chanting from visiting fans. The Spurs fans hit back by appropriating the word Yid or Yiddo which their opponents were using and wearing it as a badge of honour, despite the fact that many of them weren't actually Jewish. They were then accused of using an antisemitic word.

Here it's not so much a case of "They call themselves that, so they have no right to get offended when I call them that" but of "We call ourselves that, so people who aren't even Jewish have no right to get offended when we do so."

I would be very offended if anyone called me a Yid, but I can't summon up any great moral indignation about people who choose to apply that name to themselves.

273 08-28-2019 01:02 PM

Isn't this just a case of an english word having many meanings and interpretations but the project itself just having a tongue-in-cheek meaning?
I would wager that were I to ask anyone I know under the age of 60 what "a gimp" is I would be told that it is rude.


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