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Old 08-29-2019, 04:53 AM   #31
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This has been ejected from the same bowels as the Linux and FreeBSD CoC crap and is based on the work of the same "transgender"/"feminist" "activists", who seek to push their agenda at every given opportunity.
Indeed, because this is not about the cause of bettering the functionality of image programs. Neither is it about inventing a program that's as good as GIMP, because to do so is entirely unnecessary. It's hardly a surprise that the Glimpse dev has a gay flag icon on Github [because stating your sexual preference has everything to do with your ability to code]. It's pure egoism, as so many of these cases are. I wouldn't be surprised, just as with Linux Counter, if it ends up being used as a platform for gay/trans rights activism.

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Old 08-29-2019, 04:59 AM   #32
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When I was a graduate, I wrote an asset manager application & database and had to give it a 6 character project code, so I called it "ASSMAN". This was amusing to some and I felt a bit naughty, but it was technically the most appropriate code, taking the first syllable of each word and everyone knew what it was. You could see people with a little smile when they were assigned a "ASSMAN-0000X" ticket. The only warning was from the managing partner who said "Just don't give it a silly icon."
 
Old 08-29-2019, 05:08 AM   #33
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...stories about the GNU Image Manipulation Program not being taken seriously as an option by bosses or colleagues in professional settings.
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"Professionalism" strikes again...
Had personal experience of this. People* (including bean counters) preferred just buying photoshop so as to look more "professional" because of the name. About half the people resisting it did so because of the offence factor, the rest because it sounded too childish. It actually created a hurdle for FLOSS in general. Even renaming it "The G.I.M.P." would have made a difference.


*Not everybody, but enough.
 
Old 08-29-2019, 05:19 AM   #34
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Had personal experience of this. People* (including bean counters) preferred just buying photoshop so as to look more "professional" because of the name. About half the people resisting it did so because of the offence factor, the rest because it sounded too childish. It actually created a hurdle for FLOSS in general. Even renaming it "The G.I.M.P." would have made a difference.
I would wager that this was not only because of the name GIMP - especially seeing as Gimpshop exists - but that Photoshop has considerable standing as an image manipulation program and is generally looked at as the very best in its category. If something were to go wrong with the production process or the product be not up to scratch or there to be compatibility issues for the client, the blame could always be put on the fact that the company used free software. It's actually far safer in the long run to go with Photoshop. Very few pieces of free software make it big outside of the Linuxsphere anyway [save for things like Firefox, Thunderbird, Audacity etc].

For instance, I would never recommend a company use Libre Office Writer if the company generates complex documentation which relies on multiple tables, footnotes, diagrams etc - there are too many compatibility issues with MS Word. If I were the one making software choices, I would buy a license for MS Office.

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Old 08-29-2019, 05:28 AM   #35
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I would wager that this was not only because of the name GIMP - especially seeing as Gimpshop exists - but that Photoshop has considerable standing as an image manipulation program and is generally looked at as the very best in its category...
The need was for minor editing of images (about 75% photos, 25% original art) for use in lectures or notes. Photoshop was massive overkill, ms-paint was not quite adequate. Gimp was free and did more than was required (and, from faulty memory, Gimpshop didn't exist yet).

I am biased, bisted and twitter because the money misspent could have trebled the number of computers in my area.
 
Old 08-29-2019, 06:13 AM   #36
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The need was for minor editing of images (about 75% photos, 25% original art) for use in lectures or notes. Photoshop was massive overkill, ms-paint was not quite adequate. Gimp was free and did more than was required (and, from faulty memory, Gimpshop didn't exist yet).

I am biased, bisted and twitter because the money misspent could have trebled the number of computers in my area.
Was this at a university? If so, that's kind of sad. I understand your angst regarding the financial side of things too.
 
Old 08-29-2019, 10:57 AM   #37
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You are correct to point out that many slur words also have "innocent" usage. For example the literal meaning of "f*gg*t" is "a bundle of sticks."
It's also a traditional English dish halfway between a meatball and a skinless sausage. I heard once about someone who had his FB account frozen after he wrote a post praising this dish.
 
Old 08-29-2019, 11:08 AM   #38
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What annoys me is not just the political correctness, but the cultural chauvinism. Just because the USians use words in particular senses, the rest of us are told we mustn't mention GIMP, faggots, cocks, or asses.
 
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I was always amused by a line in the modern carol "The Little Drummer Boy" in which "The ox and lamb beat time" as the boy plays his drum. I have never seen a manger scene with a lamb in it, but ox and ass are traditional.

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Old 08-29-2019, 11:21 AM   #40
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What annoys me is not just the political correctness, but the cultural chauvinism. Just because the USians use words in particular senses, the rest of us are told we mustn't mention GIMP, faggots, cocks, or asses.
small bundles of sticks, could get splinters

turf those male chickens.

are they donkeyhorse?
no they are horsedonkeys !
are you sure?
yeah, well.. 50%
 
Old 08-29-2019, 05:54 PM   #41
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Was this at a university? If so, that's kind of sad. I understand your angst regarding the financial side of things too.
It was. I was familiar with requirements, one of my responsibilities was helping set up staff PCs (Macs were supported by another team). Having only two computers for student use in my primary domain (chemistry lab) and seeing money spent on inappropriate software was particularly galling.

Back to Gimp/Glimpse, I've been looking for a FLOSS alternative for the gimp for a while now and unfortunately gimp is still the best for my use case (Krita isn't there yet, and it's not trying to be a photo editor anyway). I'm hoping that this fork will do something about my problems with gimp; but I won't be trying it until (if) they come up with a fix and a Linux version becomes available - Flatpak and Appimage won't do.

As far as the Gimp/Glimpse developers' attitudes are concerned, I find them equally distasteful, but for now I need their software.
 
Old 08-29-2019, 06:18 PM   #42
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could you get away with renaming the binary and launching with a shell wrapper/alias disabling the splash screen?

gimp -s

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Old 08-29-2019, 08:54 PM   #43
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Pastychomper, thanks for that tidbit. I have not encountered the use of the word "gimp" as a slur, and it sheds light to know that others have.

Persons who are transgender or female or disabled or [insert classification] often do have legitimate grievances that should not be dismissed simply because one has not experienced or witnessed them first-hand. My girlfriend broke her hip last year (the cat sneaked up behind her and she tripped backwards over it). I can attest that, after assisting someone in a wheelchair for even a few weeks, anyone will have a better understanding of the complaints of those with disabilities.

I become skeptical, though, when persons seize upon outrage on behalf of others. Note that I said "skeptical," not "dismissive."
 
Old 08-30-2019, 03:16 AM   #44
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I wouldn't be surprised, just as with Linux Counter, if it ends up being used as a platform for gay/trans rights activism.
Oh but it is...

https://github.com/orgs/glimpse-editor/people

This "fork" deserves zero attention/exposure.

If someone wants to fork gimp for any reason, they are free to do so.

I can't imagine that it would be that difficult to remove the logos and rename the programme and then just build from source / build a package as usual.
 
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Persons who are transgender or female or disabled or [insert classification] often do have legitimate grievances that should not be dismissed simply because one has not experienced or witnessed them first-hand.
I agree about people who are disabled, pretty much unequivocally. With regards to trans people, a lot of the time I think the causes of their grievances are misunderstood. What doesn't help them is the media and medical profession supporting their causes carte blanche and possibly causing long-term damage which is largely irreversible.

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I become skeptical, though, when persons seize upon outrage on behalf of others.
This is a classic trait of the radical left, well discussed in Kaczynski's paper "Industrial Society and its Future". He argues that such people pick a social issue, normally an easy one to get support for, and then champion that issue even though they do not belong to any oppressed group, often coming from a comfortable middle class background when the 'oppressed' group cares little anyway. Such issues are adopted purely to build up the profile of the [often aggressive] protester who takes such collectivist action out of little more than personal insecurity, inferiority and the resultant frustrated need for power: "if our society had no social problems at all, the leftists would have to invent problems in order to provide themselves with an excuse for making a fuss".

I think remaining skeptical of such things is very, very healthy.

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Ah so she's a trans furry. Why am I not utterly shocked.

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As far as the Gimp/Glimpse developers' attitudes are concerned, I find them equally distasteful, but for now I need their software.
Well indeed. Everybody knows Axl Rose is a Grade A idiot, but he's made some great music over time.

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