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Old 02-14-2024, 04:21 PM   #1
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Question Gun control in the US


I don't have a problem philosophically with the second amendment in the US. I'm not sure if the forefathers envisioned a time where any lunatic could easily purchase an AR-15 at a corner store.
I live in Canada and gun violence is slowly increasing up here too. I know this is a divisive issue.
Is it time for better gun control measures?
 
Old 02-14-2024, 04:43 PM   #2
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No. If everyone had a gun, shooters would know they do not have a chance.

Could we please have a little less politics, and more Linux?
Have a look at the first block of 4M core iso vs. mll .... dd to HDD

Edit added later, to avoid Awakening thread:
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More: at the KC Chiefs rally, if lots of attendees had guns, the shooter(s) would KNOW that they would be turned into 'swiss cheese' the instant anyone saw their gun.

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Old 02-14-2024, 04:45 PM   #3
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Has anything changed that allows this thread to go anywhere which isn't a tedious re-hashing of the same old arguments?


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Could we please have a little less politics, and more Linux?
I agree - was about to go create a new thread in General to add some interesting apolitical and upbeat discussion... only right now I'm struggling to come up with a topic.


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Old 02-14-2024, 06:14 PM   #4
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Could we please have a little less politics, and more Linux?
You'll notice that this is posted in the Non *Nix General forum, that is it doesn't have to be about Linux. No rules broken. If you don't want to engage that's fine.

I've heard that argument before, that is, if everyone had guns then there would be less shootings. I disagree. Crazy people would not be deterred by that. The gun violence continues to get worse. I think that better background checks should be in place and there should be less availability of military-grade weapons. I understand that police/swat/military should have automatic weapons. An AR-15 is not needed by the average person.
Also more of an emphasis should be placed on supporting people with mental health issues.
 
Old 02-14-2024, 06:32 PM   #5
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No. If everyone had a gun, shooters would know they do not have a chance.

Could we please have a little less politics, and more Linux?
Have a look at the first block of 4M core iso vs. mll .... dd to HDD

Edit added later, to avoid Awakening thread:
LQ search of gun in titles only finds:
https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...ce-4175651781/
Bonus: a chance to vote!

More: at the KC Chiefs rally, if lots of attendees had guns, the shooter(s) would KNOW that they would be turned into 'swiss cheese' the instant anyone saw their gun.
Along with even more dead bodies than there already are because the average person, regardless of if they own a gun or not is not in a rational state of mind when they are being shot at from a random location. Gun advocates love to talk about how guns solve problems. They create just as many if not more. How many more would be dead if 50 people pulled out a gun when shooting from some unknown location started.
 
Old 02-14-2024, 06:49 PM   #6
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My idea of gun control.
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Old 02-14-2024, 06:58 PM   #7
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I'd never set foot on the US again in my remaining life. Americans (not all), be happy with your guns.
 
Old 02-14-2024, 07:02 PM   #8
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The problem is not the guns. The problem is society! Until intelligent people realize this, the problem will always exist! There are enough gun laws on the books, the existing laws just need to be enforced. None of my firearms have ever threatened me or anyone else with bodily harm!
 
Old 02-14-2024, 07:09 PM   #9
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I wish that "gun safety" was a required course in, say, junior high school. Everyone needs to know – first of all, not to fear a firearm – then, exactly what it can do and how to "bear" it responsibly. How to clean it, how load it, how to check if a weapon is loaded, how to store it. And then, introduce the students to the "firing range." Where they just might become addicted to the beguiling sport of "marksmanship." (Where: "It is you, your skill, the target, and the weapon. That's all.") A weapon is a tool that you are going to encounter, and you need to learn the basics of it very early. "Teach your children well."

It used to be that schools had a varsity marksmanship team, and it was a very difficult and therefore prestigious team to be a part of. (One of our recent Supreme Court justices was understandably proud of the fact that he had been.) The NRA helped the Boy Scouts to develop their "Rifle and Shotgun" merit badge. They used to be focused on gun safety and awareness ... not dangerous-IMHO politics.

A weapon does not have an "undo" feature, and it properly knows nothing about politics.

The only thing that really scares me is the person who owns a firearm that is not appropriate to their "use case," and they know nothing(!) about it. For instance, in Phoenix, a woman who kept a "pocket howitzer" in her bedside table shot at what she thought was "an intruder." The bullet went through the paper-thin walls of her house, then the paper-thin walls of the adjacent house, and was found there in the dining room. Experts said that when it entered that house, it could have still had potentially-lethal force. The woman ... who was not charged because she of course had committed no crime ... was horrified and said: "I didn't know!" And indeed she didn't. That is precisely the problem. The weapon that she had purchased was entirely inappropriate to her "personal defense" use-case, where she lived.

Do you need an AR-15? Undoubtedly not. When you purchase a firearm, you need to know very clearly what your requirements are, and what constraints you need to consider. (Such as: "the walls are paper-thin and the neighbor's house is twenty feet away.") Responsible merchants will help you choose wisely, and then help you train yourself.

If you think that you need an AR-15 where you live, you don't need to call a gun dealer. You need to call a moving van. Don't leave a forwarding address ...

Of course, there are still "strange decisions." For example, the State of Tennessee passed a law which allowed someone to carry a weapon into a bar, unless the bar owner forbade it. As far as I am aware, 100% of the bar owners in the state of course immediately did so. But this is an example of what I meant when I said that "a weapon properly knows nothing about politics."

In my opinion, "gun control" should once again focus on education. You are entitled to "defend yourself." But, "do you actually know how?"

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Old 02-14-2024, 07:29 PM   #10
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The problem is not the guns. The problem is society! Until intelligent people realize this, the problem will always exist! There are enough gun laws on the books, the existing laws just need to be enforced. None of my firearms have ever threatened me or anyone else with bodily harm!
I support your right to be a responsible gun owner! Whether it be target shooting at your local gun range or hunting in designated areas. You highlighted an important point about societal problems. Unfortunately life is stressful and some people cannot cope so they resort to self harm, drugs, and violence. If more money was set aside to identify and support people with mental health issues there would be fewer shootings.

Also, the US has almost 400,000,000 guns. Do we need that many guns?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_ownership
 
Old 02-14-2024, 07:54 PM   #11
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First if you live in a free society there is going to be some risk. Go to a communist country if you want to be coddled from cradle to grave.... We all can't live in rooms with rounded corners so to speak. So bad things are going to happen now and then. The main stream news likes to sensationalize the events. Compared to car deaths that happen every day, etc. shooting deaths are 'rare'. As 'law' abiding citizens we have to have the right to defend ourselves at anytime anywhere. Seems really really obvious. When seconds count, law enforcement is minutes away. There no need for more gun control (I'd state we need to actually roll back a lot of it ), as laws are on the books to handle murders and such. You can't presume all are guilty just because of a few malcontents and burden 'law abiding' citizens with more restrictions. The criminal is not going to care, or carry a law book around and see it can't go here (gun free zones... basically target rich environments for cowardly wackos ) or unable to get a gun there, or commit a crime... Seems like common sense to me. But gun control people must be unstable to even think that more thumb pressure on society is going to help. Never understand their thinking.

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Do we need that many guns?
Why not? Some people like to collect, some just like to shoot different firearms. It is a free country after all. I have a wall of books. Do I need them all? Same argument. Guns are tools like a knife or a shovel or whatever. Seems obvious to me .

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Old 02-14-2024, 08:03 PM   #12
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First if you live in a free society there is going to be some risk. Go to a communist country if you want to be coddled from cradle to grave.... We all can't live in rooms with rounded corners so to speak. So bad things are going to happen now and then. The main stream news likes to sensationalize the events. Compared to car deaths that happen every day, etc. shooting deaths are 'rare'. As 'law' abiding citizens we have to have the right to defend ourselves at anytime anywhere. Seems really really obvious. When seconds count, law enforcement is minutes away. There no need for more gun control (I'd state we need to actually roll back a lot of it ), as laws are on the books to handle murders and such. You can't presume all are guilty just because of a few malcontents and burden 'law abiding' citizens with more restrictions. The criminal is not going to care, or carry a law book around and see it can't go here (gun free zones... basically target rich environments for cowardly wackos ) or unable to get a gun there, or commit a crime... Seems like common sense to me. But gun control people must be unstable to even think that more thumb pressure on society is going to help. Never understand their thinking.

Why not? Some people like to collect, some just like to shoot different firearms. It is a free country after all. I have a wall of books. Do I need them all? Same argument. Guns are tools like a knife or a shovel or whatever. Seems obvious to me .
Well said, very well said!
 
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Half the world is arming Israel and Ukraine.

Some of the most strict gun control countries have higher murder rates.

I say scum control.
 
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Not true. Compare the US to Taiwan/Japan where sometimes they vent their frustration, mostly on politicians lol, the deaths by knives are much smaller !
 
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Guns are tools like a knife or a shovel or whatever. Seems obvious to me .
Heh! True. But you can't remotely kill dozens of people with books, knives or a shovel. I have no problem with responsible gun ownership. I think that it is too easy for unstable people to buy lethal firepower. I laughed at the comment about scum control. I think that better mental health support for people could go a long way to prevent future tragedies.


Gun owners are confident in their ability to protect their home. That doesn't protect your kids at school or when they're hanging out with their friends at a mall.
 
  


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