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Old 06-13-2005, 08:02 PM   #91
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ive done all the work all you have to do is watch a freakin film and you lazy people cant even do that.
original post: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...5&pagenumber=1

I'm thinking this thread got a bit off topic anyway. Maybe we all should stick with that topic. The film
Martial Law 911 : Rise of the Police State

go here to download it:

via http: http://www.archive.org/details/MartialLaw911

or via bit torrent: http://conspiracycentral.net:6969/?search=martial+law
 
Old 06-13-2005, 08:03 PM   #92
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ahh finally I got an answer. Thank you for answering, yes, this is what alex jones' movie showed (I watched enough of it to notice that), I just wanted you to say it in your own words.

the motive:
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to get the people behind a war, and scare the population into submission so a police state survielence grid, microchipped population, un, fedral and military gun grabs and a cashless society can be installed. and to open the borders to canada and mexico through legislation to make way for a one world gov. or lord bush's new world order.
So in your opinion everything the government is doing is under the false pretense of "protetcting us" while in reality they are trying to control us. Now, that is what those who oppose the patriat act say. This may be shocking but there are congressmen who are opposed to the patriat act, and its congress that decides to pass the law NOT Bush. (I'm not sure if your an american or know about the government here), but the president cannot make any laws. Bush, cannot make any laws. It is congress that makes laws. So far no majority of congressmen are part of yale's secret society. There is no majority of congressmen who go to that secret "retreat" (where alex jones suck in a video camera). A majority is needed to pass most laws.

Granted, bush has control over the military, but congress controls any money that he spends or needs for the military (this is the beauty of the three branches of government). If Bush orders the army to round up all american citizens and put them in concentration camps, congress would take away the money. And Bush would be impeached and tried in court. (realistically he would probably be assasinated)

The president of the united states can only serve for 2 elected terms. I believe 99% of the public would be opposed to changing this law. Now, how can bush become "world governor" or "lord bush" if he is out of office by 2008?

The government is watching me, recording my phone calls, but it has already been doing this for a long time. There is an agency called the NSA that does this.

Did you know that there is a case, Rasul v. Bush in the supreme court, in which the supreme court said that foreign nationals imprisoned without charge at Guantanamo Bay were entitled to bring legal action challenging their captivity in U.S. federal civilian courts. Bush doesnt seem all that powerfull right now.

You know if you take away the facade, it seems the conspiracy theory is not that the government commited 9/11. But that Bush wants to control everyone and become "lord bush". And in order to do this, he killed 3,000 people?

If you really believe this, then it is your duty to try to file charges against President Bush for murder.
 
Old 06-13-2005, 08:05 PM   #93
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I'm thinking this thread got a bit off topic anyway. Maybe we all should stick with that topic. The film
Martial Law 911 : Rise of the Police State
Well, I think we are discussing the contents of the movie/documentary. Which I think is not off-topic. He posted a link to a movie, and we are discussing the content of the movie. I don't believe thats off-topic.
 
Old 06-13-2005, 08:26 PM   #94
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uuummmm......why is this in a Linux forum?

As for topics re: conspiracy theories, my knee-jerk response is: no government is intelligent enough to formulate such a plan as would be worthy of a James Bond villian. The government can't deliver the mail or keep potholes out of the street.

And re: politics: My motto: "All governments and political parties are exactly the same. People alone are individuals."

DIS-missed!
 
Old 06-13-2005, 08:30 PM   #95
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uuummmm......why is this in a Linux forum?
this is the General forum, it can include non-Linux topics:
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This forum is for non-technical general discussion which can include both Linux and non-Linux topics.
 
Old 06-13-2005, 09:35 PM   #96
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no government is intelligent enough to formulate such a plan as would be worthy of a James Bond villian.
The Pentagon at work :

- "We could develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington." [page 8]
- "Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a HELPFUL wave of national indignation."


"Such a plan would enable a logical build-up of incidents to be combined with other seemingly unrelated events to camouflage the ultimate objective." [page 5]

in other words, the United States Government conduct TERRORIST operations and blame foreign ennemies !

approved by the Joint Chiefs of Staff - the top generals of each branch of the US armed forces - and submitted to the Secretary of Defense.

James Bond villain you said ?





http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-i.htm

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Old 06-13-2005, 09:47 PM   #97
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I love the number of 0 posters that come out of the woodwork just to post in this thread.

I wonder how many of them there really are.

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Old 06-13-2005, 09:59 PM   #98
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Originally posted by Woken_Sheep
*woken sheep sighs*

1. so just because they were mouring thier familys deaths the gov. couldnt have done it according to you?

2. i live in mn. brother and yes moussaoui was a cia asset. thier land lords were fbi members for one because they were watching them. the fbi in mn. told the bush admin that they were planning an attack and they recieved a signed order from bush in return telling them if they arrested them that they themselves would be arrested. he told the fbi that he would arrest them if they got involved and arrested mousaoui and his buddies.

3. ive already explained the motive, but you didnt notice because you have blinders on and you just wanna attack instead of actually take an objective look at what ive posted here for you. ive done all the work all you have to do is watch a freakin film and you lazy people cant even do that.
1. Okay, I'll give you that one.

2. I can't understand what the hell your talking about with landlords, fbi, bush and the cia. It sounds like bad show on FOX.

3. How could I possibly sift through all the nonsense you have posted? Just tell us: What is the motive?
 
Old 06-13-2005, 10:17 PM   #99
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Yeah, in that Northwoods Document, page 10-11 numbers 8-9 are interesting too (actually the entire document is quite telling of what was/is possible).
http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-10.htm

It reads:

8. It is possible to create an incidnet which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner enroute from the United States to Jamaica, Guatamala, Panama or Venezuela. The destination would be chosen only to cause the flight plan route to cross Cuba. The passengers could be a group of college students off on a holiday or any grouping of persons with a common interest to support chartering a non-scheduled flight.

a. An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be substituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone.

b. Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of Florida. From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly into an auxiliary field at Eglin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. The drone aircraft meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan. When over Cuba the drone will being transmitting on the international distress frequency a "MAY DAY" message stating he is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by destruction of the aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal. This will allow ICAO radio stations in the Western Hemisphere to tell the US what has happened to the aircraft instead of the US trying to "sell" the incident.

9. It is possible to create an incident which will make it appear that Communist Cuban MIGs have destroyed a USAF aircraft over international waters in an unprovoked attack....

and it continues on giving more detail on how this could be pulled off.

If they had this capability back in 1962, imagine what capabilities they have in 2000.
 
Old 06-13-2005, 10:22 PM   #100
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I have another question, are the terrorist bombings in Madrid also part of some conspiracy? Or are those real terrorists?
Did you know there are exactly 911 days between the New York attacks on September 11, 2001 and the Madrid bombings on March 11, 2004... Coincidence nothing to worry about.

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This may be shocking but there are congressmen who are opposed to the patriat act, and its congress that decides to pass the law NOT Bush.
Did you know how it was passed? There was almost no debate, and few in Congress were given more than a few hours to read the 300+ page document. Most didn't read any of it. (Remember something here!) In meetings with the House and Senate leadership, Attorney General Ashcroft warned that additional terrorist acts were imminent and that Congress would be to blame if the bill were not passed immediately. Congress could not withstand the pressure.

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The president of the united states can only serve for 2 elected terms. I believe 99% of the public would be opposed to changing this law. Now, how can bush become "world governor" or "lord bush" if he is out of office by 2008?
Bush is a PUPPET, the New World Order is not his plan nor his father's plan. He acts only on a ''political'' level.


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I love the number of 0 posters that come out of the woodwork just to post in this thread.
We are different people.
 
Old 06-13-2005, 10:57 PM   #101
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Did you know there are exactly 911 days between the New York attacks on September 11, 2001 and the Madrid bombings on March 11, 2004... Coincidence nothing to worry about.
But earlier you guys said that al-qaeda are puppets of the CIA. So did the CIA order the bombing in Madrid? Why would they do so?

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Did you know how it was passed? There was almost no debate, and few in Congress were given more than a few hours to read the 300+ page document. Most didn't read any of it. (Remember something here!) In meetings with the House and Senate leadership, Attorney General Ashcroft warned that additional terrorist acts were imminent and that Congress would be to blame if the bill were not passed immediately. Congress could not withstand the pressure.
Yet it was approved again with no time pressure this time around.

Quotes from the Patriot Act (Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act)
This seems to be giving protection, and not taking away any rights...
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Section 316: C.1PROTECTION OF RIGHTS- The exclusion of certain provisions of Federal law from the definition of the term `civil forfeiture statute' in section 983(i) of title 18, United States Code, shall not be construed to deny an owner of property the right to contest the confiscation of assets of suspected international terrorists under
Didnt' one of you guys say that under the Patriot Act we are all terrorists? Well not according to this definition from the Patriot Act
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(iv) ENGAGE IN TERRORIST ACTIVITY DEFINED- As used in this chapter, the term `engage in terrorist activity' means, in an individual capacity or as a member of an organization--

`(I) to commit or to incite to commit, under circumstances indicating an intention to cause death or serious bodily injury, a terrorist activity;

`(II) to prepare or plan a terrorist activity;

`(III) to gather information on potential targets for terrorist activity;

`(IV) to solicit funds or other things of value for--
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Bush is a PUPPET, the New World Order is not his plan nor his father's plan. He acts only on a ''political'' level.
So what is this New World Order? Is there a "mission statement" for this New World Order? If there is I'd like to see it.
lol I bet the mission statements reads "To take over the world", but I guess I shouldnt joke about that, they might be watching
 
Old 06-14-2005, 05:06 AM   #102
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From wikipedia:
New World Order (conspiracy)
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The term New World Order refers to a belief or conspiracy theory among apocalyptic religious and various political groups, especially in the United States, that some powerful secret group has created a secret plan, known as the New World Order (NWO), to rule the world via a world government. The belief may stem at least partly from the phrase New World Order, which has been used in politics for much of the Twentieth Century. See New World Order (political).

There are a number of different ideologies related to this belief; some groups are religiously motivated, and believe that the agents of Satan are involved. There are others without a religious perspective on the matter, known as illuminus. They operate outside of social, legal and political restraint, gathering information and evidence on world events that are considered instigated by another group of illuminated individuals called the Illuminati. While the Illuminati supposedly work behind the scenes to create conditions favorable to a New World Order, the illuminus gather evidence and take direct action, influencing groups to prevent the New World Order attaining a foothold. These illuminus believe that the totalitarian society has already arrived in a subtle form.

The understanding of these believers is that the NWO will be created by a military coup, using UN and American troops, against all the nations of the world to bring about the One World Government. There was a belief among some believers in this thesis that this process would begin in 2000, set in motion by the predicted Y2K computer crisis causing widespread social disorder.

Other perspectives on this matter relate to globalization and various intellectual movements evolved from Marxist "internationalist" ideology, such as Social Democracy and Socialism, aiming to homogenize cultures and values by political normalization, as pointed out in the European Union's gradual "communitarian construction" scheme of a common economic and legal framework for all countries. Some political groups, such as the Club of Rome and the Socialist International (to which the French, British and German parliamentary Left-wing parties belong), openly advocate these goals.

Some predictions made by users of this term of events that will occur under the NWO include:

* The abolition of private property rights and gun ownership
* world-wide perequation under UN control
* all national and local elections controlled by the UN
* the US constitution replaced by the UN charter
* only approved religions will be allowed to exist as parts of the One World Religion, or alternatively mandatory secularism with all religions made illegal
* interdiction of politically incorrect opinions by UN laws and charters, such as statements deemed discriminatory, critical of minorities, anti-feminist, anti-homosexual or illiberal
* home schooling will be illegal and there will be a UN-approved curriculum
* even more radical perspectives fear military bases will be turned into concentration camps to confine those who defy the NWO, as prisoners of opinion.

Although the UN is often used as a central figure in these actions, sometimes the US Government, the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberg Group, Bohemian Grove, Skull and Bones, Scroll and Key, Freemasons, the Illuminati, and similar bodies are included in the conspiracy.

See also New World Order (political)

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Old 06-14-2005, 06:36 AM   #103
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, but I guess I shouldnt joke about that, they might be watching
If nothing else, this thread gave us, at last, an appropriate use for the little-seen Jawa smiley!
 
Old 06-14-2005, 06:53 AM   #104
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Originally posted by DaBlade
From wikipedia:
New World Order (conspiracy)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

The term New World Order refers to a belief or conspiracy theory among apocalyptic religious and various political groups, especially in the United States, that some powerful secret group has created a secret plan, known as the New World Order (NWO), to rule the world via a world government.
That says it all right there. A "belief" or "theory". Nothing more, nothing less.

Just because Wikipedia has a definition for it doesn't make it real.

Crashed_Again looks outside his window watching for the New World Order to come take him away.
 
Old 06-14-2005, 08:15 AM   #105
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The NWO was first announced by President George Herbert Walker Bush said it on 9/11/1990, exactly 11 years before 9/11.
http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1541.cfm
 
  


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