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Old 06-12-2005, 05:13 PM   #31
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the whole article was lies, for example steel doesnt melt at 1500 degrees, it doesnt even get red hot untill 3000 degrees. the only way you could create a flame hotter than 1800 degrees would be under special circumstances like using a welding torch. kerosine based jet fuel is not hot enough to melt steel.
did you even RTFA?? nowhere does it say that the jet fuel melted the building's steel... FTFA:
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Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength--and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."

"Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent." NIST also believes that a great deal of the spray-on fireproofing insulation was likely knocked off the steel beams that were in the path of the crashing jets, leaving the metal more vulnerable to the heat.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...tml?page=4&c=y
 
Old 06-12-2005, 05:22 PM   #32
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WHY DON YOU PEOPLE ACTUALLY READ THE OFFICIAL NEWS STORYS I POSTED INSTEAD OF TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT?
and you do, Mr. Tinfoil Hat?? LOL!!!

anyways, i'll spell-out the main reason for you: C - O - N - T - E - X - T
 
Old 06-12-2005, 05:23 PM   #33
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yes i did read it. now did you use common sense when you read it? if that were the case then it would have twisted and collapsed. instead it went down in the same symetry that any building that gets imploded by demolition does, strait down. like this

http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_ht...apse%20update/

notice the demo charges coming out the sides of the building.
 
Old 06-12-2005, 05:32 PM   #34
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notice the demo charges coming out the sides of the building.
oh please, don't be ridiculous... i personally know some conspiracy nutcases like you who don't even go THAT far... LOL.... again, FTFA:
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CLAIM: As each tower collapsed, clearly visible puffs of dust and debris were ejected from the sides of the buildings. An advertisement in The New York Times for the book Painful Questions: An Analysis Of The September 11th Attack made this claim: "The concrete clouds shooting out of the buildings are not possible from a mere collapse. They do occur from explosions." Numerous conspiracy theorists cite Van Romero, an explosives expert and vice president of the New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology, who was quoted on 9/11 by the Albuquerque Journal as saying "there were some explosive devices inside the buildings that caused the towers to collapse." The article continues, "Romero said the collapse of the structures resembled those of controlled implosions used to demolish old structures."

FACT: Once each tower began to collapse, the weight of all the floors above the collapsed zone bore down with pulverizing force on the highest intact floor. Unable to absorb the massive energy, that floor would fail, transmitting the forces to the floor below, allowing the collapse to progress downward through the building in a chain reaction. Engineers call the process "pancaking," and it does not require an explosion to begin, according to David Biggs, a structural engineer at Ryan-Biggs Associates and a member of the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) team that worked on the FEMA report.

Like all office buildings, the WTC towers contained a huge volume of air. As they pancaked, all that air--along with the concrete and other debris pulverized by the force of the collapse--was ejected with enormous energy. "When you have a significant portion of a floor collapsing, it's going to shoot air and concrete dust out the window," NIST lead investigator Shyam Sunder tells PM. Those clouds of dust may create the impression of a controlled demolition, Sunder adds, "but it is the floor pancaking that leads to that perception."

Demolition expert Romero regrets that his comments to the Albuquerque Journal became fodder for conspiracy theorists. "I was misquoted in saying that I thought it was explosives that brought down the building," he tells PM. "I only said that that's what it looked like."

Romero, who agrees with the scientific conclusion that fire triggered the collapses, demanded a retraction from the Journal. It was printed Sept. 22, 2001. "I felt like my scientific reputation was on the line." But emperors-clothes.com saw something else: "The paymaster of Romero's research institute is the Pentagon. Directly or indirectly, pressure was brought to bear, forcing Romero to retract his original statement." Romero responds: "Conspiracy theorists came out saying that the government got to me. That is the farthest thing from the truth. This has been an albatross around my neck for three years."
http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...tml?page=4&c=y


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Old 06-12-2005, 05:35 PM   #35
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remember when i told you about the bohemian grove?
well heres the documentary about the 2700 acre slice of redwood forest where our politicians (including the bush family) go to make policy and worship moloch an ancient cananite diety. where they sacrifice a human in effigy to the fourty foot stone owl. since i like you guys and i care about humanity i had a friend that was nice enough to stream the film for you. so here you go enjoy.
DARK SECRETS INSIDE THE BOHEMIAN GROVE.
http://69.46.19.250/Alex_Jones-Dark_...mian_Grove.wmv

more info on bohemian grove.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...background.htm

the sattelite pictures are real if you dont believe me look for yourself at any sattelitte image site.

evidence that the bush family funded the nazis

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/...312540,00.html

http://www.rense.com/general40/bushf...ndedhitler.htm

http://www.georgewalkerbush.net/bush...ndedhitler.htm

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Old 06-12-2005, 05:39 PM   #36
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Remember that the Bush Administration has been paying off journalists to support its positions.
You have a link to support this? And proof? Do you not think that if the papers had enough proof, they would not have gone after Bush with everything they had?
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if that were the case then it would have twisted and collapsed. instead it went down in the same symetry that any building that gets imploded by demolition does, strait down. like this
What, like it twisted and collapsed off the top of the building? Do you mean that the structural steel did not weaken and along with the tons of building material and equiptment collapse onto the floor below, and the floor below until there were no more floors to collapse onto?
You guy/gals should write a book.
 
Old 06-12-2005, 05:42 PM   #37
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remember when i told you about the bohemian grove?
well heres the documentary about the 2700 acre slice of redwood forest where our politicians (including the bush family) go to make policy and worship moloch an ancient cananite diety. where they sacrifice a human in effigy to the fourty foot stone owl.
ROTFLMAO!!! LOL!!!


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Old 06-12-2005, 05:46 PM   #38
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Those of us who SAW THE COMMERCIAL JUMBOJET clip the streetlamps along route 236 and skid onto the Pentagon lawn sure do like to laugh at internet fools.
Look it up. Over 400 civilian witnesses, I was one of them.
 
Old 06-12-2005, 05:50 PM   #39
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why dont you follow the links brother and actually listen to our side of the story?
i know you havent looked at them otherwise you wouldnt ask such ignorant questions. the builder of the towers actually stated on record that he designed the buildings to withstand 747s to hit it and still stand.
it comes down to this do you trust your gov. or me ? do you trust a bunch of people that have always lied to you from the day you were born ? or do you trust me. do you trust the corrupt bush, nixon, clinton or regan admins? or do you trust me and thousands of others who dont accept the official story of 911?
HOW TOUGH WERE THE TOWERS?

A lead engineer who worked on the WTC expressed shock that the towers collapsed from plane crashes. Lee Robertson, the tower's structural engineer, addressed the problem of terrorism in the plans for the building, claiming he “designed it for a (Boeing) 707 to hit it.”

Lets examine Mr. Robertsons handiwork a bit more and take a look at how these towers were made…
http://www.letsroll911.org/articles/...emolition.html

and why are you skirting the evidence at the pentagon. its so obvious that a 757 didnt hit there.
 
Old 06-12-2005, 05:52 PM   #40
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ROTFLMAO!!! LOL!!!
watch it then laugh i dare you!
 
Old 06-12-2005, 05:54 PM   #41
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Those of us who SAW THE COMMERCIAL JUMBOJET clip the streetlamps along route 236 and skid onto the Pentagon lawn sure do like to laugh at internet fools.
Look it up. Over 400 civilian witnesses, I was one of them.
you sir are a liar. because the parts recovered from the pentagon were not large enough to be from a 757 in fact part comparisons done on engine parts and wheels found there are from an a3 jet fighter not a 757. oh and lets not forget there was only ONE engine.

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Old 06-12-2005, 05:58 PM   #42
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and why are you skirting the evidence at the pentagon. its so obvious that a 757 didnt hit there.
I snipped your post as i don't give a rats ass about NYC.
I would like for you to explain how a 757 didn't hit the pentagon when I SAW it?

Your silly euro-centric mockumentarys and clandestine blogs mean little. I saw it. I was with many other people who saw it.

I think your time would be better spent on something productive, like Bigfoot sightings or the secret Zionist government assassins in the Netherlands
 
Old 06-12-2005, 05:59 PM   #43
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you sir are a liar. because the parts recovered from the pentagon were not large enough to be from a 757 in fact part comparisons done on engine parts and wheels found there are from an a3 jet fighter not a 757.
And you sir, are an asshole who needs to feel special. Here's your sign.............
 
Old 06-12-2005, 06:04 PM   #44
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yeah thats what ignorant people do best is resort to vulgarity.

how do you explain that the parts were not from a boeing 747 then if im such an "asshole"
 
Old 06-12-2005, 06:06 PM   #45
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why do you people keep ignoring the facts. are you telling me that you know more than me on this subject?? ive been doing research on 911 and the new world order for over a year and all you people have done is read a fabricated article on popular mechanics. get real.
THE BUSH'S FUNDED THE NAZIS I POSTED PROOF FOR CRYING OUT LOUD READ IT!!!
IVE POSTED A VERY EYE OPENING FILM WATCH IT!!!
IT ACTUAL FOOTAGE OF THE RITUAL AT BOHEMIAN GROVE.
DABLADE POSTED ANOTHER IMPORTANT FILM WATCH IT.
FOLLOW THE LINKS OR GO BACK TO SLEEP. GO BACK TO SLEEp. GO BACK to sleep

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