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Old 06-19-2005, 09:15 PM   #286
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You're here, Woken_Sheep, because you know something. What you know you can't explain�but you feel it. You've felt it your entire life. That there's something wrong with the world. You don't know what it is, but it's there, like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad. It is this feeling that has brought you to me.
Lol wow that quote must really hit home for some of you guys

You know, some philosopher once said "the only thing I know, is that I know nothing"... i guess some ppl are smarter then all the rest of us though

For (non-conspiracy) info on the pentagon go here

simulation of the pentagon attack, claiming that it was indeed a passenger jet that hit it

another computer simulation of the pentagon attacks
 
Old 06-19-2005, 09:25 PM   #287
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Yeah these guys are great. You don't believe me:

link
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and more:

link
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[INSERT RANDOM QUOTES HERE]
It must be true then!
And how are you contributing to the convo?
 
Old 06-19-2005, 09:33 PM   #288
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And how are you contributing to the convo?
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Old 06-19-2005, 09:34 PM   #289
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And how are you contributing to the convo?
Well, I did contribute, if anyone wants to respond to my links
 
Old 06-19-2005, 09:53 PM   #290
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That's what I thought Crashed_again... and rksprt, since I am actually going to go read your links it might be a little while for a reply. Keep in mind that the Pentagon doesn't have anything to do with Martial Law 911 : Rise of the Police State.

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Old 06-19-2005, 09:55 PM   #291
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thanks for those purdue.edu links rksprst, it's quite refreshing to read some scientific info about this interesting topic...
 
Old 06-19-2005, 10:03 PM   #292
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<<Lol wow that quote must really hit home for some of you guys>>

So I guess you think everything is perfect?

Regarding your links, much of the info is flimsy information with flimsy animation.

It would be so much easier if our government would just release the several videotapes that the FBI "seized" immediately following the impact. Certainly the Pentagon, I mean THE PENTAGON, would have more to show than 5 stinking photo's DONTCHA THINK? (pun intended ) They have camera's everywhere, but that day they were conveniently turned off. Yes, and I have a beachfront home in ARizoni..

Interview with Jamie McIntyre CNN Pentagon Correspondent

MCINTYRE (on camera): "Sources tell CNN that the FBI on September 11th confiscated a nearby hotels security camera videotape, which also captured the attack. So far the Justice Department has refused to release that videotape. Aaron."
http://pentagonresearch.com/evidence.html

The most protected air space in the world and following a stand down order not to shoot the plane down. Coincindently it struck the side of the building which was under construction. Coincidentally Rumsfelds office was almost exactly on the other side. Coincidentally for the 1st time in history, the "stand down" order was taken from the military and given over to the VP months before the attack.

C'mon, I mean they consficated at least 2-video tapes that I read about. Why don't they just show it instead of pics?

How about the friggin flight recorder?

FLIGHT RECORDER?

The recorders were taken to the National Safety Transportation Boards office in Washington, but were only there a short time. FBI agents reclaimed them early yesterday, since they are important in the agencys investigation.
(The Washington Times Sept. 15, 2001 Saturday Final Edition pg. C-1)
http://pentagonresearch.com/evidence.html

What are they trying to hide? It's so elementary, yet no disclosure of the footage?

Okey dokey

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Old 06-19-2005, 10:06 PM   #293
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thanks for those purdue.edu links rksprst, it's quite refreshing to read some scientific info about this interesting topic...
lol yea it is nice to have scientific info once in a while

And yes, though the pentagon links don't directly apply to martial law.... the pentagon is part of bush's plan to create martial law and have the nwo take over (according to the "documentary")... contradicting your pentagon progoganda is just one step towards disproving your whole conspiracy theory
 
Old 06-19-2005, 11:59 PM   #294
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Wow, I read the first 4 pages, and actually clicked quite a few links (though I am at work and don't want to watch the videos here, I did read most of the readable links) and read from my funny post onward on page 8 (I have it default to a 40 post/page view) and still see the same points being brought up by the same people, or the same things being brought up by new members of LQ.

I am just trying to point out what this actually is: a stalemate.

Feel free to continue, I'm not trying to disuade either point of view.

My take on it:

There are good points on both sides of the issue being presented, I think it's probably a mix of both. The hard corps conspiracy theorists (or factitians if you will) and the hard corps anti-conspiracy theorists have extreme views. It seems that usually somewhere in between extreme views lies some truth. Is the US government covering something up, probably to an extent. Are they plotting to actually institute NWO, probably not as a whole; this is not to say that there are individuals in power that may have this point of view, but rather that it's not on the agenda for the US as a whole. The specifics are part of a debate far more in depth than I am wanting to go. Do I think there are a group of devil worshippers in Northern California, sure. Do I think every President, or the current Presidential group (his cabinet et al) join in on sacrificing humans to an alter at this camp, nah, sounds a bit far fetched.
Do I have hard corps solid fact, including un-doctored video and images to back up anything I have said, not at hand. I'm sure I could google for a bit to bring up websites backing up my point of view, but I really am not that dedicated to this thread to bother. Just figure since I read this thing to this point, I'd throw out a few things flowing through my dome

Have fun everyone! Keep it clean.

Cool
 
Old 06-20-2005, 12:09 AM   #295
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Originally posted by Rockclimber
much of the info is flimsy information with flimsy animation.
you are very welcome to elaborate if you wish... but PLEASE don't bombard the thread with a zillion links to more conspiracy theory websites, it's just not funny anymore...

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It would be so much easier if our government would just release the several videotapes that the FBI "seized" immediately following the impact.
honestly, i don't think it would make much difference to you guys, if you know what i mean - and you do...
 
Old 06-20-2005, 01:06 AM   #296
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Awesome MasterC thanks for those comments! Let us know what you think of the film when you see it. If you do.

I was thinking about the stalemate thing as I got into some of the Pentagon stuff. All I know is that I go by gut feeling and evidence I see from both sides. I wish the government would just come clean or prove to us that the official story is the true story. They have failed to prove the official story is what really happened. The Pentagon story is definitely not something I specialize in. That being said, this is what I have a hard time backing up.


A 757 did this damage...

Bystander images:
http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/11.jpg
http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/12.jpg
http://radified.com/911/JPEGs/911_pentagon.jpg
http://thewebfairy.com/911/pentagon/index.html

Government images:
http://thewebfairy.com/911/pentagon/comparison.htm


Did Flight 77 really crash into the Pentagon?
http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/flight77/claim.html

MANY HI-RESOLUTION VIDEOS OF THE 9/11 HOAX (AND MORE).
http://globalresearch.ca.myforums.ne...opic.php?t=599

I'm done with the Pentagon in this thread...


More stuff to chew on:

9/11: Ten Smoking Guns


1) Why didn't NORAD fulfil its standard operating procedure and intercept the planes? Were NORAD intentionally confused by the wargames taking place on the morning of 9/11 or were they ordered to stand down?

Flight 77 was known by NORAD to have been hijacked by 8:50am. Yet it is a full 48 minutes until any fighters are scrambled, as two leave Langley AFB just two minutes before Flight 77 hits the Pentagon at 9:40am.


2) What is the meaning behind the following quote attributed to Dick Cheney which came to light during the 9/11 Commission hearings. The passage is taken from testimony given by Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta.

During the time that the airplane was coming in to the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President, "The plane is 50 miles out." "The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to "the plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the Vice President, "Do the orders still stand?" And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?"

As the plane was not shot down are we to take it that the orders were to let the plane find its target?


3) What was the cause of the collapse of WTC Building 7? The building wasn't hit by a plane and yet it collapsed in the same manner as the twin towers. Why hasn't Larry Silverstein offered a public explanation as to the meaning behind his comments on a September 2002 PBC documentary, America Rebuilds, where he admits the decision was made to "pull" the building. Pulling a building is the industry term for controlled demolition. The official FEMA report listed fire damage as the reason for the building's collapse, even though photos taken before the collapse indicate minimal fires.

How can the collapse of the building and also the twin towers be justified in light of numerous examples of high story buildings which burned for hours and even days without collapsing, such as the recent Windsor Building fire in Madrid?


4) How did Rudolph Giuliani know that the south tower was about to collapse? Giuliani told ABC's Peter Jennings, "We were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was gonna collapse."

The World Trade Center was the first steel building to collapse from fire damage in history.

Who told Giuliani the building was going to collapse and how did they know?


5) In the days following September 11th, the FBI released a list of the 19 hijackers.

At least four of these hijackers are still alive. Saudi Arabian pilot Waleed Al Shehri was one of five men that the FBI said had deliberately crashed American Airlines flight 11 into the World Trade Centre on 11 September.

He told journalists there that he had nothing to do with the attacks on New York and Washington, and had been in Morocco when they happened. He has contacted both the Saudi and American authorities, according to Saudi press reports.

Other so called 'suicide hijackers' who have come forward to protest their innocence (being alive is a good enough alibi) are Abdulaziz Al Omari , Saeed Alghamdi and Khalid Al Midhar.

How can we take claims of paper passports that miraculously escaped the impact of the plane and the gigantic fireballs and fluttered mostly unscathed down to the ground seriously? At least a third of the victims were never identified and yet a paper passport survives. Was this an attempt to frame the very individuals the FBI would later blame for the attack?


6) Who told a number of public officials not to fly into New York on the morning of 9/11 and why didn't the people on the targeted planes get the same warnings?

Mayor of San Francisco Willie Brown was set to fly into New York on the morning of September 11. However, he got a call from what he described as his 'airport security' late September 10th advising against flying due to a security threat.

Newsweek twice reported that top Pentagon officials had got a warning of the impending attack on September 10th, and cancelled their flights for the next day. This confirms that these officials knew both the locations of the imminent attack and the method of using jetliners as bombs.


7) From July 4th-14th 2001, Osama bin Laden was being treated for kidney infection at the American Hospital, Dubai, United Arab Emirates. There, on multiple occasions, he met with CIA station Chief Larry Mitchell. Bin Laden gave Mitchell 'precise information' regarding 'an imminent attack' on the US. Bin Laden also met with numerous members of his family, who left the US by
chartered flights after September 11th with the full blessings of the US government.

A 2000 Clinton presidential executive order was still in effect and mandated that bin Laden should have been killed on the spot. Bin Laden was allowed to leave of his own free will.


8) A record number of 'put' options, speculation that the stock of a company will fall, were placed on American and United Airlines in the days preceding September 11th. This despite a September 10th Reuters report stating 'airline stocks set to fly.'


9) Between September 6 and 7, the Chicago Board Options Exchange saw purchases of 4,744 put options on United Airlines, but only 396 call options. On September 10, 4,516 put options on American Airlines were bought on the Chicago exchange, compared to only 748 calls.

The investigation as to which criminals benefited from advance knowledge of the terrorist attack led straight to Alex Brown/Deutsche Bank - chaired up until 1997 by executive director of the CIA, Buzzy Krongard.

Why wasn't Krongard taken in for questioning by the FBI and who else was involved in this insider trading?

10) Pakistan ISI Director General Mahmud Ahmad instructed Ahmad Umar Sheikh to hotwire $100,000 to the 9/11 lead hijacker, Mohammad Atta.

On September 11th, Ahmad was a guest of former clandestine CIA officer and CFR member Rep. Porter Goss and Skull and Bones/CFR member Senator Bob Graham. Since September 4th, he had met with top brass at the CIA, the Pentagon and the White House, including Colin Powell, Richard Armitage, Joseph Biden and George Tenet.

Condoleezza Rice lied in a May 16th 2002 press conference when she claimed ignorance of Ahmad's visit and the $100,000 transfer. Ahmad had
already resigned from the ISI and the FBI had confirmed the circumstances behind this. Rice stated "I have not seen that report, and he was certainly not meeting with me."

What was the money man behind the terrorists doing in the halls of the US government before, during and after 9/11?

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...nquestions.htm

peace.
 
Old 06-20-2005, 02:37 PM   #297
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Good post readsomestuff!

I must say, although there are huge amounts of info available, and much has been posted, we should look at one area in particular!

WTC7
WTC7 was the third steel framed building to collapse from fire ever!
The first two were the south then north tower.

WTC7 was not hit by a plane and was a long way from the two towers (little if any debri)

It had two small fires on the 5th and 12th floors. How did they start? 7th photo down

Now this is a high rise on fire!
And look, not pretty, but still standing!

It collapsed all by itself later in the afternoon, in upon itself. This is what demolition experts go to extreme lengths to acheive, using 100s of demolition spots and miles of wiring.

I once witnessed a 21 story tower demolition go wrong it dropped about 7-8 floors before stopping. It swayed massively and looked like it was going to fall.
What has this got to do with WTC7? well this building was on its way down but when the intrecut sequence went wrong it still did not have enough momentum to continue falling in the path of MOST resistance! It would have fallen over rather than continue inwardly collapsing.

Interesting to note is that the first tower to collapse, the south tower did not have a plane slam into the core, it hit the side of the building. The Core is amazingly strong, if for some reason part of the building collapsed the core would be left standing without a doubt. so how did the core collapse in the direction of most resistance when the core was not significantly damadged?, and in half the time after impact it took the north tower to collapse.

The truth is we can go on and on, but WTC7 only takes commen sense to realise something is wrong, very wrong!!

Feel free to reply
 
Old 06-20-2005, 03:12 PM   #298
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The truth is we can go on and on, but WTC7 only takes commen sense to realise something is wrong, very wrong!!

Feel free to reply
Do all you guys have Masters degrees in physics? Let me ask you this, if you throw a fork into a fire what happens after 7 hours.

Also, have any of you guys read the extensive FEMA report? Specifically chapter 5 which deals with WTC7.
 
Old 06-20-2005, 03:50 PM   #299
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What does this have to do with Linux?
 
Old 06-20-2005, 04:07 PM   #300
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Do all you guys have Masters degrees in physics? Let me ask you this, if you throw a fork into a fire what happens after 7 hours.
I do not have a Masters degree in physics, nor do I think that someone holding a masters degree gives them complete knowledge of the subject matter. It seems that you are saying because some people with masters degrees got together and wrote an article, it must be true and completely explain all portions of an event. I have met people with Doctorates that are pretty fuggin crooked and deceitful let alone people with masters degrees.

Whenever I have thrown forks into a fire and let them burn for 7 hours, they come out all black and sooty but haven't lost their shape or form.

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Also, have any of you guys read the extensive FEMA report? Specifically chapter 5 which deals with WTC7.
I have read chapter 5 of the FEMA report and this article basically sums it up.

Chapter 5 of FEMA report along with comments (comments are in red):
http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/...tc/WTC_ch5.htm

5.8 Conclusion:
This report is a JOKE.


Referring to the FEMA report you speak so highly of.

This doesn't even take into account the fact that Larry Silverstein (owner of WTC) told the fire chiefs to 'pull' building 7, demolition term for demolishing a building. Please see my post #61 for audio and video clip of this statement.
 
  


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