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Old 06-11-2005, 02:36 PM   #16
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It's been less than an hour since you said you'd watch them. The movie lasts 2 and a half hours...
 
Old 06-11-2005, 03:02 PM   #17
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It's been less than an hour since you said you'd watch them. The movie lasts 2 and a half hours...
I didn't watch the 2nd episode.. and I "fast-forwarded" parts that I thought were rubbish. But i did watch 80% of both parts 1 and 3
 
Old 06-11-2005, 03:07 PM   #18
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Watch the _WHOLE_ thing before claiming you've watched it
 
Old 06-11-2005, 03:24 PM   #19
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Watch the _WHOLE_ thing before claiming you've watched it
sorry i can't handle watching all of it... I wanted to see if it made any sense at all, like you said. But it didnt, so I don't want to spend more time on it. Now, what I will agree is "strange" is the group that Bush, Kerry, were part in.. the one the guy exposed by brining a video camera in there. Also, that secret society in Yale. But I don't believe those groups are after world domination like the documantary suggested. Everything else that I saw was BS. His thoughts on communism and how Bush and Kerry are leading to that, IMO was complete nonsense.
 
Old 06-11-2005, 03:32 PM   #20
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Here's a BBC report on Skull and Bones. Quite interesting.

Watch the whole thing. Alex Jones operates by saying his stuff, then backing it up, then saying more stuff, then backing that up. You appear to only have caught the saying stuff part.
 
Old 06-12-2005, 09:18 AM   #21
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id love to debate about it with you guys,but first you must educate yourself on the facts otherwise we will just walk around in the circles that theyve programmed you to walk in. its no longer theory when its public info and has been documented and stated in public.
lets start with foreknowledge, you know the things your gov. controlled media doesnt tell you in between the nightly broadcast of terror alerts and how to bake a cake. shall we?

Agency planned exercise on Sept. 11 built around a plane crashing into a building: In what the government describes as a bizarre coincidence, one U.S. intelligence agency was planning an exercise last Sept. 11 in which an errant aircraft would crash into one of its buildings. But the cause wasn't terrorism — it was to be a simulated accident.

Top Pentagon officials were warned and cancelled flights on September 10th

NEWSWEEK has learned that the state of alert had been high during the past two weeks, and a particularly urgent warning may have been received the night before the attacks, causing some top Pentagon brass to cancel a trip.

Pentagon officials cancelled September 11 flying plans day before: On Sept. 10, NEWSWEEK has learned, a group of top Pentagon officials suddenly canceled travel plans for the next morning, apparently because of security concerns.



US Heard 'Tomorrow Is Zero Hour' on Eve of Attacks: U.S. intelligence intercepted two messages the day before the Sept. 11 attacks that indicated an event was planned the following day, but the communications were not translated until Sept. 12, government sources said on Wednesday.

A Big Warning: The National Security Agency intercepted and secretly recorded at least one conversation in Arabic before the Sept. 11 attacks in which the participants spoke about something big that was going to happen on that day, ABCNEWS has learned.

NSA didn't share key pre-Sept. 11 information, sources say: A secretive U.S. eavesdropping agency monitored telephone conversations before Sept. 11 between the suspected commander of the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks and the alleged chief hijacker, but did not share the information with other intelligence agencies, U.S. officials said Thursday.

Condoleezza Rice Warned Sept. 6 About Imminent Terror Attack: Five days before Sept. 11, National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice was warned that a terrorist attack inside the United States was imminent, a former U.S. senator who headed up a blue-ribbon commission on terrorism revealed late Tuesday.

PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT - U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE - 7TH SEPTEMBER (SAYING BIN LADEN WAS ABOUT TO ATTACK): "We are also concerned about information we received in May 2001 that American citizens may be the target of a terrorist threat from extremist groups with links to Usama Bin Ladin's Al-Qaida organization."

German police confirm Iranian deportee phoned warnings: German police have confirmed an Iranian man phoned US police from his deportation cell to warn of the planned attack on the World Trade Centre.

FBI 'ignored leads': The German authorities have rejected reports that an Iranian man detained in Hanover could have helped avert Tuesday's devastating attacks on New York and Washington.

Bin Laden's Trail - Rushdie Air Ban (banned from flying from September 3rd): THE author Salman Rushdie believes that US authorities knew of an imminent terrorist strike when they banned him from taking internal flights in Canada and the US only a week before the attacks.

Some Got Warning: Don't Go Downtown on Sept. 11: Federal investigators have received evidence that some Middle Easterners in the New York area were warned ahead of time to stay out of lower Manhattan the morning of Sept. 11, the Daily News has learned.

Prior Knowledge of Sept. 11 Not Just Urban Legend: "Do you see those two buildings?" he asked while pointing toward the World Trade Center. "They won't be standing there next week." It was noon, Sept. 6, 2001.

Police: Student spoke of attacks before Sept. 11: Authorities are tracking numerous leads that some people, including members of the Arab-American community, heard rumors of the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington in the days leading up to the hijackings, law enforcement sources say.

Trade Center warning baffles police: I went to Brooklyn this week in search of an “urban myth” about the World Trade Center attacks. What I came back with was no longer a myth — it was cold, chilling fact. But it didn’t clear anything up for me; that the “myth” was true only made matters murkier. Was word of the attacks on the street beforehand? I wanted to find out.

EXECUTIVE ORDER NUMBER 01-261 (Jeb Bush declares martial law 4 days before September 11th):

German firm probes final World Trade Center deals

German computer experts are working round the clock to unlock the truth behind an unexplained surge in financial transactions made just before two hijacked planes crashed into New York's World Trade Center on September 11.

Mystery of terror 'insider dealers': Share speculators have failed to collect $2.5m (£1.7m) in profits made from the fall in the share price of United Airlines after the 11 September World Trade Centre attacks.

Supressed Details of Criminial Insider Trading Leads Directly Into The CIA's Highest Ranks: Although uniformly ignored by the mainstream U.S. media, there is abundant and clear evidence that a number of transactions in financial markets indicated specific (criminal) foreknowledge of the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

PROFITS OF DEATH - INSIDER TRADING AND 9-11: Additional companies hit hard by the insider trading included Axa Re(insurance) and Munich Re as well as American investment giants Merrill Lynch and Morgan Stanley.

PROFITS OF DEATH - PART 2 - TRADING WITH THE ENEMY: A disclosed in Part I and in previous stories by FTW, an abnormal amount of “put” options – bets that a stock price would suddenly fall – were placed on United Air Lines and American Airlines in the days before the attacks of September 11th.



enough foreknowledge for you yet? no? good because i have more.

PROFITS OF DEATH - PART 3 - ALL ROADS LEAD TO DEUSTCHEBANK AND HARKEN ENERGY: Now in Part III, we conclude this series by revealing a devastating conflict of interest in investigating these leads on the part of President George W. Bush by virtue of his own past insider trading through Harken Energy in Bahrain and Kuwait.

SHADY TRADER EYED FOR 9/11 TIP: An accused inside-trader made suspicious stock trades on Sept. 10, leading investigators to believe he might have known about the terror attacks a day later, a federal prosecutor said yesterday.

Lawyer: Accused Man Knew of Attacks: An Egyptian-born financial analyst charged in a nationwide stock swindle may have known about the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and tried to profit from them, a federal prosecutor said Friday.

What did 'Tony' know on September 10? THE question on every Wall Streeter’s lips this week is this: what did Amr Ibrahim Elgindy — otherwise known as “Tony” — know on September 10?

Feds: Ex-Agent Had Key Data: In a criminal case with a specter of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, prosecutors disclosed yesterday that classified information had been found during a search of possessions of a former FBI agent allegedly part of an insider trading conspiracy.

Still Silence From 9-11 Stock Speculation Probe: Within a month of 9-11, the SEC, acting in concert with the Department of Justice, distributed a target list of 38 stocks to securities firms around the world looking for information about who might have profited by at least apparent pre-knowledge of the aerial attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

Representative Cynthia McKinney Grills Rumsfeld On Dyncorp Sex Rings, Missing Pentagon Trillions & 9/11 Wargames

Found: The 911 "Stand Down Order"? Jim Hoffman has discovered a document which I believe may be very important to the 911 skeptic movement. This document superseded earlier DOD procedures for dealing with hijacked aircraft, and it requires that Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld is personally responsible for issuing intercept orders.

Atlantic City F-16 Fighters Were Eight Minutes Away From 9/11 Hijacked Planes: Why? Why weren't they alerted? And even if they had been told about the hijackings, what could they have done? The jets weren't armed to shoot down another plane. Their mission was bombing drills. Why?

In Addition To Jets, Were SAMs And AA Also Stood Down On 911? So, why was it that the SAMs were not launched (on 911)?

Air Defenses Stood Down On 911 AFTER ATC Alerts Given: There is now irrefutable evidence which proves massive complicity on the part of the highest levels of government -- along with numerous accomplices and co-conspirators in the military, intelligence and administrative sectors -- in the September 11 atrocities perpetrated against the American people.

A Pilot Answers 911 Questions JCS General Myers Wouldn't: The vital perspective provided by this pilot raises as many questions as it answers on - "Where Was The U.S. Air Force When We Needed It On 9-11?"

Fighter jets from Andrews AFB escort 'hijack hoax' plane - why weren't these fighters scrambled to intercept Flight 77 and protect Washington on 9/11? Two F-16 jets from Andrews Air Force Base were sent to intercept and escort the Airbus A319, said Maj. Ed Thomas of the North American Aerospace Defense Command.

Where were they on 9/11? Andrews AFB intercept jet near White House: The plane apparently strayed within the Air Defense Identification Zone, roughly a 23-mile radius around Washington, according to Les Dorr, spokesman for the Federal Aviation Administration.

Where are the 'suicide hijackers'?

New Questions About Real Identity of 9-11 Hijackers. He sat silent for years, keeping a secret Americans were dying to hear. Not able to talk, there were days he cried uncontrollably, days he pounded his fists on the table like a madman, wondering if he could have prevented so many people from dying the morning of Sept. 11, 2001.

Atta's Father Still Insists His Son is Alive. Mohammed al-Amir Atta no longer practices law, but when it comes to his son, he can still put up a spirited defense.

Hijack 'suspect' alive in Morocco. A Saudi-Arabian aircraft pilot who was named as one of the 19 hijackers, has turned up alive and well in Morocco.

Father insists alleged leader is still alive: The father of Mohammed Atta, the alleged ringleader of the September 11 attacks, said in an interview published yesterday that his son was still alive.

Hijack 'suspects' alive and well: Another of the men named by the FBI as a hijacker in the suicide attacks on Washington and New York has turned up alive and well.

Saudi Suspects in U.S. Attacks Were Not in the U.S.: U.S. officials in Riyadh offered Abdul Rahman Said al-Omari an official apology in the presence of Saudi interior ministry officials for including his name among the list of suspects in the U.S. terrorist attacks, news agencies reported Monday.

Seven of the WTC Hijackers found alive! Some of the men the FBI claims hijacked planes on Sept. 11 and crashed them into the World Trade Center in New York, the Pentagon, and Stony Creek Township, Pennsylvania are still alive.

THE PERPLEXING PUZZLE OF THE PUBLISHED PASSENGER LISTS

FEMA in place on September 10th?

CBS Interview with Dan Rather: FEMA in place Monday September 10th

FEMA Deployment Pre 9-11? Many months ago, the allegation was made that FEMA had teams in NYC prior to September 11, 2001, thus they had prior knowledge.
this concludes my unfinished portion of prior knowledge, i have more but i think ill let you get caught up on your history here before i continue. you should really know something about the subject before challenging someone to a debate. so here ya go start reading. or you could just watch the film that the man pointed you out too in the first place. anyhow ill let you take a couple of days to chew this up and then ill bring more, you chew that up and then we can actually have an informed debate on the subject not some ignorant flame rant about alex jones is an idiiot bla blah blah. alex isnt the only one out there talking about it hes just one of the best and well informed. alex predicted that the gov. was going to attack the trade centers a year before it happend live on his public access tv show. now either he knows what hes talking about or hes a phsycic. i know hes not a phsycic so that leaves one explanation.

now you ask why would the gov. do these things? well its well documented in text and on film that our gov. bush's, clintons, kerry all of them are devil worshippers. they go to norther california every year in june to the bohemian grove. the grove has been talked about by famous natzi war criminals in thier memoirs its a real place do some research. anyhow they go there and decide world pollicy and worship and ancient cananite deity named molech or moloch. moloch is descibed in the bible in the book of lividicus when god tells the people not to sacrifice thier children to moloch.
well guess what they do there they worship him and sacrifice a human in effigy to the 40 foot stone owl god moloch in the middle of the redwood forest in norther ca.
they are obsessed with death and the occult and they are trying to build a working class slave under a few powerfull elite.
so ask yourself why would they do this again? then ask yourself what happend after 911?
well the gov. destroyed the constitution with the patriot act which is now being used on people abroad for non terror related offenses. ON AMERICANS. you and me brother. not osama.
why havent they captured osama ?
because osama is a cia asset any time they want something blown up anywhere they send him in. in fact the cia was in the same hospital he was in while he was recieving dialisis in pakistan while he was in fact on the fbi most wanted terror list.
anyway this story is too large for me to tell in one sitting so ill let you chew this up and ill be back later for more.
peace be with you.

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Old 06-12-2005, 10:00 AM   #22
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Wow, that's not a post, it's an epic Woken_Sheep . I'm downloading the movies (500k/s is quite alright for a server) I guess I will watch it tonight with some pop-corn and coke
 
Old 06-12-2005, 11:04 AM   #23
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And some of the most important evidence of all i have for you in the form of flash. simple to watch.

and finally a little something for you to think about

Soviet Style Snitch Poster Being Used On Trains
http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/j...0605poster.jpg
Many of the blogs have picked this one up.

This poster is reported as being used on the MARC commuter train (between Baltimore and DC). Click the poster for an enlargement.

If accurate, this is yet another visual reminded of how society is slipping back into a Stasi-like climate whereby everyone is trained to be suspicious.


http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/n...04bilboard.jpg

remember this billboard?

these are the same things that go on in communist countrys, huge billboards with pictures of the dictator.. you just dont think anything of it because you are not used to it. hitler did the same thing.
as a matter of fact if you read your history books you will find out that hitler after being ELECTED under a DEMOCRATIC gov. burned down the reichstag building (the equivelent to our congress) and blamed it on rebels, he then declared FATHERLAND SECURITY or HOEMLAND SECURITY and started taking away peoples rights. just like whats happening in this country today.
ill be posting more 911 evidence and explaining PROBLEM , REACTION, SOLUTION, shortly.
 
Old 06-12-2005, 01:26 PM   #24
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After reading the links Woken_Sheep posted you can watch Painful Deceptions. This is the film to watch first if you need more proof that 911 was an inside job. It focuses mostly on technical details and flaws in the ''official theory''.


Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4

Summary of the Video's Accusation:

Flight 77:

There is no evidence of Flight 77 or the dead passengers at the Pentagon. The Pentagon security video suggests a Global Hawk was shattered by a missile. The missile may have been launched from a defensive missile system around the Pentagon.

The World Trade Center Towers:

Explosives were placed in both towers before the attack to cause the towers to disintegrate into dust. Explosives were detonated via radio by a computer in Building 7.

Building 7: It was a 47 story, steel-framed building that disintegrated later in the day, also from explosives. The 23rd floor was the Mayor's "Emergency Command Center," which had its own air supply. This appears to be the command center for destroying the towers.

The video also includes: an explanation of turbofans, explosives, the Oklahoma City bombing, the media that Americans mistakenly refer to as our "Free Press," and why deception is the main weapon in this war to control us.

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Old 06-12-2005, 02:31 PM   #25
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sorry i can't handle watching all of it... I wanted to see if it made any sense at all, like you said. But it didnt,
it didnt make sense because you didnt watch the whole thing. when you watch a hollywood production do you fast forward through half the movie? and if you do, do you know what the film was about. especially one of those films you have to pay close attention to to understand it completly.
please educate yourself about the events on 911, then educate yourself a bit on world history. then we can debate about the subject untill then it would be like you argueing with a mechanic about your car when you know nothing about working on cars.
 
Old 06-12-2005, 02:44 PM   #26
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After reading the links Woken_Sheep posted you can watch Painful Deceptions. This is the film to watch first if you need more proof that 911 was an inside job. It focuses mostly on technical details and flaws in the ''official theory''.


Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4

Summary of the Video's Accusation:

Flight 77:

There is no evidence of Flight 77 or the dead passengers at the Pentagon. The Pentagon security video suggests a Global Hawk was shattered by a missile. The missile may have been launched from a defensive missile system around the Pentagon.

The World Trade Center Towers:

Explosives were placed in both towers before the attack to cause the towers to disintegrate into dust. Explosives were detonated via radio by a computer in Building 7.

Building 7: It was a 47 story, steel-framed building that disintegrated later in the day, also from explosives. The 23rd floor was the Mayor's "Emergency Command Center," which had its own air supply. This appears to be the command center for destroying the towers.

The video also includes: an explanation of turbofans, explosives, the Oklahoma City bombing, the media that Americans mistakenly refer to as our "Free Press," and why deception is the main weapon in this war to control us.
All which have been proved to be compelte and utter garbage of theories and full of crap usually based off of inaccurate information.

You also need to remember the amoutn of crap that came out of the media on 9/11 was so numorous that there was a lot of inaccurate reporting going on.

You want fact about the dead bodies at the pentagon go ask the relief workers who cleaned up. I bet you tell them that there were no dead passengers and they may beat the crap out of you.

Oh and by the way information from the countless conspiracy theory sites out there are even less trustworthy then the "We never went to the moon" sites.

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Old 06-12-2005, 03:03 PM   #27
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All which have been proved to be compelte and utter garbage of theories and full of crap usually based off of inaccurate information.

You also need to remember the amoutn of crap that came out of the media on 9/11 was so numorous that there was a lot of inaccurate reporting going on.

You want fact about the dead bodies at the pentagon go ask the relief workers who cleaned up. I bet you tell them that there were no dead passengers and they may beat the crap out of you.

Oh and by the way information from the countless conspiracy theory sites out there are even less trustworthy then the "We never went to the moon" sites.
Humm i see that you didn't watched it, very intelligent reply....

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You want fact about the dead bodies at the pentagon go ask the relief workers who cleaned up. I bet you tell them that there were no dead passengers and they may beat the crap out of you.
You seem to know much about them why don't you bring more info about those relief workers.

If you think that is enough to discredit the conspiracy you are fooling yourself without knowing it.

Look at that ''It means all'' reaction when Bush is questioned if he had foreknowledge of 9-11.

CNN – press conference - A reporter asks about Dean's comments that Bush had foreknowledge of 9-11, observe the strange reaction by puppet-Bush.
 
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All which have been proved to be compelte and utter garbage of theories and full of crap usually based off of inaccurate information.

You also need to remember the amoutn of crap that came out of the media on 9/11 was so numorous that there was a lot of inaccurate reporting going on.

You want fact about the dead bodies at the pentagon go ask the relief workers who cleaned up. I bet you tell them that there were no dead passengers and they may beat the crap out of you.

Oh and by the way information from the countless conspiracy theory sites out there are even less trustworthy then the "We never went to the moon" sites.
that was a completely uninformed and ignorant rant.

fact is that the bodies found at the pentagon were from people at the pentagon. the plane that hit the pentagon wasnt a boewing 757 it was an a3 jet fighter. parts found at the pentagon were not from a boewing, they were from an a3 jet fighter. but you wouldnt know that since it was suppressed by the media.

a boeing 757 has a wingspan of 125 feet the hole in the pentagon before the roof collapsed was 16 feet wide
look at this picture


http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/images...agon_hole2.jpg

this is the plane that hit the pentagon right after firing a missle at it.
http://www.tomflocco.com/modules.php...rder=0&thold=0

more simple evidence you can understand.
http://www.911wasalie.com/phpwebsite...view&ANN_id=26

and who debunked the film? lets see proof and ill defeat it.

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Old 06-12-2005, 04:32 PM   #29
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From the moment the first airplane crashed into the World Trade Center on the morning of September 11, 2001, the world has asked one simple and compelling question: How could it happen?

Three and a half years later, not everyone is convinced we know the truth. Go to Google.com, type in the search phrase "World Trade Center conspiracy" and you'll get links to an estimated 628,000 Web sites. More than 3000 books on 9/11 have been published; many of them reject the official consensus that hijackers associated with Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda flew passenger planes into U.S. landmarks.

Healthy skepticism, it seems, has curdled into paranoia. Wild conspiracy tales are peddled daily on the Internet, talk radio and in other media. Blurry photos, quotes taken out of context and sketchy eyewitness accounts have inspired a slew of elaborate theories: The Pentagon was struck by a missile; the World Trade Center was razed by demolition-style bombs; Flight 93 was shot down by a mysterious white jet. As outlandish as these claims may sound, they are increasingly accepted abroad and among extremists here in the United States.

To investigate 16 of the most prevalent claims made by conspiracy theorists, POPULAR MECHANICS assembled a team of nine researchers and reporters who, together with PM editors, consulted more than 70 professionals in fields that form the core content of this magazine, including aviation, engineering and the military.

In the end, we were able to debunk each of these assertions with hard evidence and a healthy dose of common sense. We learned that a few theories are based on something as innocent as a reporting error on that chaotic day. Others are the byproducts of cynical imaginations that aim to inject suspicion and animosity into public debate. Only by confronting such poisonous claims with irrefutable facts can we understand what really happened on a day that is forever seared into world history.
Complete Article
 
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Complete Article
ALEX JONES RESPONDS TO FAKE PM ARTICLE
this was put together by the gov. brother look at who wrote the piece his name is Ben Chertoff, hes micheal chertoff's cousin. you know the same guy that is head of homeland security.
the whole article was lies, for example steel doesnt melt at 1500 degrees, it doesnt even get red hot untill 3000 degrees. the only way you could create a flame hotter than 1800 degrees would be under special circumstances like using a welding torch. kerosine based jet fuel is not hot enough to melt steel.
look at this building in madrid spain
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spain_fire_2005.html
this building is completely gutted by fire and is still standing. now thats hot and yet all the steel is still there.
now look at this video
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...omanwaving.htm
see that woman waving in the entry wound on the building? if it was so hot it could melt steal why isnt she on fire? why does she still have hair?

stop accepting the official story crafted by the whitehouse and wake up!!!
WHY DON YOU PEOPLE ACTUALLY READ THE OFFICIAL NEWS STORYS I POSTED INSTEAD OF TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT?

full article here
http://www.reopen911.org/jimmyrebut.htm
Debunking [Propaganda] Mechanics 03/2005

by Jimmy Walter

While Popular Mechanics makes some valid points about the wilder conspiracy theorists, it avoids the meaty issues altogether. The fact that it found no valid claims out of all of the evidence is itself evidence of slanted journalism, a.k.a., propaganda. Remember that the Bush Administration has been paying off journalists to support its positions. From its start, the Winston Smiths of [Propaganda] Mechanics use innuendo and straw men to set the tone for its sweeping conclusions and exaggerations:


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