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Old 06-17-2005, 11:41 PM   #256
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Originally posted by zackarya
Hi win32sux, I agree with most of what you said except for this

quote:gun ownership is a right.


win32sux said:
yes, but the right to bear arms doesn't mean civilians should have the right to bear AUTOMATIC weaponry... IMHO, there's ABSOLOUTELY NO REASON why any average joe should have the right to have an ASSAULT RIFLE... i think it's ridiculous to interpret the second ammendment in that manner...

See this part I think has some problems. First off, you say that there is no REASON to have
a automatic weapon. Well, how is it YOU get to decide for the REST OF US what is within
reason and what's not. The whole ban on "assault rifles" was political in it's motivation and
did nothing to get dangerous weapons out of the hands of criminals. All it did was (arbitrarily) take away specific models of weapons from law abiding citizens based on a knee jerk reaction.

I mean if we follow the whole REASON argument then:

There is no REASON to have a car that goes faster than 80 MPH.
There is no REASON to have a house with more than one room.
etc.

Now I know that you could come up with many reasons that you think that I'm wrong
about the above examples, but that's my point. It's not up to me to decide for you what
is within reason.

Zack
you have a good point, and i totally get it... notice how i wrote "IMHO" (in my humble opinion) in that post... basically, yeah - i'm aware that my stance on automatic weaponry is just my opinion and stuff and i would never impose that on anybody just because i feel that way... it's the type of thing that IMHO should be open to public debate and analysis... yeah, it's true what you say that banning automatics doesn't help keep them away from criminals, etc... i'm sure you will agree that the assault rifle ban topic has huge debate potential on BOTH sides...
 
Old 06-17-2005, 11:53 PM   #257
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us who are taking steps to figure out what really happened on 9/11 and what is currently happening with the US and around the World
you guys aren't seeking any truths, instead you've convinced yourselves that you've already found the truth and have been "woken" and everyone else is a "sheep"... so please don't try to make yourselves out to be the inquisitive type now, LOL, you just add more comedy to the freak show that this thread has become ever since it was invaded by conspiracy theorists...
 
Old 06-18-2005, 06:22 AM   #258
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You will find many debated pionts and also many facts that are difficult to argue against!
I think the piont of something being wrong with US and world has been made.

Its a clever game, conceived behind closed doors by a few mega rich elites. They have control of many sick individuals and many compromised ones. They control: The Government, the media, The university system and History. No they have changed the very basics of education from the start.

They study plans drawn up by secret organisations e.g carnegie group, rockerfella foundation. Guess one of therefirst assignments? What is the best way to alter the conciousness of a population? conclusion: War

They plans are carried out by organisations such as CAFR, bilderburg group, tri-lateral commission and many others. Look these up you can see what they do, its not good for the people only the mega rich.

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Old 06-18-2005, 09:55 AM   #259
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That says it all right there. A "belief" or "theory". Nothing more, nothing less.

Just because Wikipedia has a definition for it doesn't make it real.

Crashed_Again looks outside his window watching for the New World Order to come take him away.
no the fact that its on your dollar bill if you live here in the us is evidence of the new world order.
on the bill there is the all seeing eye of the illuminati and under that it says in latin "novus ordo seclorum" translation new order of the ages.
 
Old 06-18-2005, 10:19 AM   #260
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no the fact that its on your dollar bill if you live here in the us is evidence of the new world order.
on the bill there is the all seeing eye of the illuminati and under that it says in latin "novus ordo seclorum" translation new order of the ages.
anyone interested in the non-conspiratorial background of that motto check-out this link:

http://www.greatseal.com/mottoes/seclorum.html

there you can also get yourself a neat t-shirt with the pyramid and stuff on it...
 
Old 06-18-2005, 11:51 AM   #261
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quote:Originally posted by Win32sux


that is your OPINION...>>

Yes and the earth is flat and the sky is green. Police state win32sux, maybe it's not evident to you yet, but they are beefing up intelligence, police officers, the FBI, and all kinds of gadgetry including cameras on street corners, gps systems in your car to track you, biochips (Verichip), REal ID (papers please!). They can now enter your home without a your knowledge (sneak and peak) watch your surfing habits, read your emails, and on and on and on. But you still deny it. This is only the beginning of their surveilance grid, perpetuated by the Bush Administration and their bombardment of "fear" as a BRAINWASHING TOOL that works effectively. Hitler used it to gain control of the masses in Germany by deliberately burning the Reichstag building. It worked beautifully, imagine our capitol burning...or WTC buildings....


<<yes, let's not forget that relationship because it makes your conspiracy theory sound>> so much more plausible even though it has absoloutely no concrete connection with the facts... a bunch of circumstantial "evidence" - the bread and butter of conspiracy theories...>>

Oh really? Please tell why Dick Cheney, Jeb Bush and a host of other neocons wrote the PNAC document (look that up) which called for a "pearl harbor like event" which would be needed to carry out their goals which are were essentially gain control of Afghanistan because of the large oil deposit in the Caspian Sea and Iraq to run oil pipelines to the prospering Asian countries to the east? And than wallah, 9-11, boogeyman OBL strikes again giving orders from his bat cave, we bomb Afghan to little smithereens and attempt to gain control of Iraq. Mission accomplished has yet to be accomplished, 1700 lives later for a phony war which actually was never declared a war. Now guess what? Bush and all his oil buddies are making money hand over fist. This war was about O.I.L.=Oil, Israel and logistics. Period. Use your head and follow the money/who benefits? Certainly not 1700 dead soldiers and 10s of thousands of dead Afghan/Iraqui civilians...



once again, do you know how big OBL's family is?? do you think that because OBL decided to become a terrorist then somehow any Bin Laden is a terrorist?? no wonder so many were taken out of the country after 9/11 - to protect them from the extreme versions of minds like yours...>>

Many of the Saudis finance terrorist organizations. And who cares how big the family is, the major players are all you need to help you play their little blood money neocon game. Oh and give me a break, are you implying that I would harm anyone? Not true. So let me get this straight, if somebody killed your family member and their family flew the coop you would just say hey, no problem. Families are the first you would interrogate if their family member allegedly committed a crime.




<< quote Rockclimber said:OBL was also reported to have visited a health clinic in the U.S. prior to 9-11 for dialysis treatment (I belive in Kansas) and we let him get away!

win32sux: this is interesting, i'd like to see a link about this... of course this has absoloutely no value to your conspiracy theory either way, governments mess-up all the time...>>

Here' a link for you:

By Elizabeth Bryant
UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL

http://prisonplanet.com/bin_laden_tr..._hospital.html

this sounds interesting also, but again, PURELY CIRCUMSTANCIAL... and, no - please don't go on and on...>>

Read more here:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/multimed...newsnight.html


yes, but the right to bear arms doesn't mean civilians should have the right to bear AUTOMATIC weaponry... IMHO, there's ABSOLOUTELY NO REASON why any average joe should have the right to have an ASSAULT RIFLE... i think it's ridiculous to interpret the second ammendment in that manner...>>

Well I didn't interpret in that manner. Think of it this way, we won the Revolution because the peoples arms were equal to that of their governments. I'm not saying we should have nukes and grenade launchers but these weapons in the hands of a tyrannical government is nothing but dangerous. Historically Revolutions were won by those who had equal weaponry. Just a caveat.


again, this is all just your OPINION... other people see the same things you see and DO NOT draw the same conclusions...>>

If you believe that the Patriot act is a good thing, that surveilance and attacks on your civil liberties are a good thing then I have to specualte that fear has gotten the best of you and as they incrementally remove our liberties there may be a day when their is nothing left but big brother controlling our lives. This was a government created for the people by the people, we must never forget that.


is it really neccessary to use this thread to give presidential speeches?? LOL...>>

Whatever, ad-hominem, I have no desires to be a politician, just a voice for truth.



your intentions might be true (at least inside your head), however, you are basing your entire conspiracy theory on circumstantial and sometimes even false information... the reality of the matter is that if you guys had even a SHRED of concrete evidence of foul play on 9/11 you wouldn't need to come into this or any other forum trying to get people to join your cult...>>

My intentions are true because REALITY tells me so. You have not researched this and act as if we are coming to this site to share our "special knowledge". I am not a knowledge whore, I have delved deep into this because I care about the direction in which this country/world is heading and realize I am only one person trying to share information with others that our press will not report because IT IS controlled. I believe in Jesus Christ and His words btw, and He was not a cult.

Hey, take a cursory read at the headlines of the articles posted here to the majority of the time mainstream sources, you can't make this stuff up. And since no one else is reporting it you should be happy someone made it nice and easy for you to discern:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/911.html

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Old 06-18-2005, 01:31 PM   #262
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they are beefing up intelligence, police officers, the FBI, and all kinds of gadgetry including cameras on street corners, gps systems in your car to track you, biochips (Verichip), REal ID (papers please!). They can now enter your home without a your knowledge (sneak and peak) watch your surfing habits, read your emails, and on and on and on. But you still deny it.
i don't deny it, i don't even dispute most of it... i just don't make such a big deal out of it as you do, that's all... i mean you guys go as far as saying it's all part of some MASSIVE WORLDWIDE CONSPIRACY which entails everything from foul play on 9/11 to the graphics on the dollar bills for heaven's sake... besides, my email is already read by google-bots and god knows by what/who else and i don't really care - i've nothing to hide... do you??

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This is only the beginning of their surveilance grid, perpetuated by the Bush Administration and their bombardment of "fear" as a BRAINWASHING TOOL that works effectively. Hitler used it to gain control of the masses in Germany by deliberately burning the Reichstag building. It worked beautifully, imagine our capitol burning...or WTC buildings....
on 9/11 i wasn't "afraid" AFAIK - i was more like "sad" and "pissed-off" and stuff like that - never afraid... i'm sure there's lots of people who live afraid every day since 9/11 but you speak as if EVERYONE was like that, which is not true...

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Please tell why Dick Cheney, Jeb Bush and a host of other neocons wrote the PNAC document
how on earth i am supposed to know why they wrote that?? can i read their minds?? can you?? neither of us has any way to be completely sure about why they wrote PNAC, but one of us immediately pulls a nice-fitting theory out of the conspiracy toolbox to fill the gaps...

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The arabs finance terrorist organizations.
please don't make these kinda potentially RACIST remarks on this website... i don't know if you are used to speaking like this at your conspiracy theory website but here at LQ racist stuff is NOT tolerated... i suggest you try to be a little more specific when making these type of statements instead of painting people with such a broad brush...

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Oh and give me a break, are you implying that I would harm anyone?
no, i wasn't... that's why i said EXTREME versions of minds like yours... people that think like you but take it to the next, violent level...

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So let me get this straight, if somebody killed your family member and their family flew the coop you would just say hey, no problem.
not really... but if their family had some reason to fear for THEIR lives because of possible retaliation on my behalf i think it's fair to say i wouldn't be surprised that they would want to go away even if they had nothing to do with my family member's death... but it's stupid to compare 9/11 with this kinda situation, the scale of the events is way too different, as is the type of hate crimes that could have surfaced from them...

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Families are the first you would interrogate if their family member allegedly committed a crime.
are you 100% positive that they weren't interrogated before being taken out of the country??

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If you believe that the Patriot act is a good thing
what's wrong with believing it's a good thing?? why must i believe it's an evil thing?? because of the three million way out of context links you guys have posted on this site?? gimme a break... does the patriot act have some issues i think need to be looked at?? YES... do i think the patriot act is perfect?? NO... do i think the patriot act requests that we make certain sacrifices?? YES... do i think it's part of a vast right-wing conspiracy to take away all our freedom and turn america into a police state?? NO...

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that surveilance and attacks on your civil liberties are a good thing then I have to specualte that fear has gotten the best of you
once again, i don't know what fear you are talking about, at least not personally...

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My intentions are true because REALITY tells me so. You have not researched this and act as if we are coming to this site to share our "special knowledge". I am not a knowledge whore, I have delved deep into this because I care about the direction in which this country/world is heading and realize I am only one person trying to share information with others that our press will not report because IT IS controlled.
googling for stuff that is in sync with what you believe doesn't count as research... in fact, simply judging by the scope of the conspiracy you guys theorize, i am pretty sure that even if it were true there would be ABSOLOUTELY NO WAY you could "research" this kinda stuff without having resources of the type that people that post links to conspiracy sites in message boards simply don't have...

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I believe in Jesus Christ and His words btw, and He was not a cult.
i was talking about your conspiracy theory cult - not about anything religious...

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Hey, take a cursory read at the headlines of the articles posted here to the majority of the time mainstream sources, you can't make this stuff up.
but you can CERTAINLY interpret a million "mainstream sources" the wrong way when they are all linked/presented OUT OF CONTEXT... it's not rocket science, it's the building blocks of your pal michael moore's films, for example...


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Old 06-18-2005, 02:36 PM   #263
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Just a heads up - Christianity, as an offshoot of Judaism, was originally a cult.

And as far as Arabs sponsoring terrorists, can anyone here, anyone at all, honestly put their hand on their heart and say that at some point their own government hasn't sponsored terrorists? I know I can't. Something about being the first to cast a stone comes to mind.

And another thing, we should all remember that a conspiracy theory is just that: a theory. Unfortunately, as with anyone who has a theory they hold dear, it is next to impossible to convince them otherwise.

So, to recap: Christianity started life as a cult, don't make broad sweeping potentially racist remarks and enjoy yourselves, even if the nuts are right there is very little any of us can do. Vive la democracy!
 
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since you have an answer for everything win, what do you say about the thousands of fema camps going up every day? or are these just "taken out of context" too?
i hope you love your fema camp shackles you guys deserve them i guess. you made your bed now you have to sleep in it.
 
Old 06-18-2005, 03:28 PM   #265
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http://www.prisonplanet.tv/
 
Old 06-18-2005, 04:12 PM   #266
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http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...tccollapse.htm
 
Old 06-18-2005, 04:16 PM   #267
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Is democracy the best way? 51% should be able to say how the other 49% must live? Just doesn't seem all that fair to me. Mob rule.. Boooooooooooo
 
Old 06-18-2005, 04:24 PM   #268
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http://www.ericblumrich.com/14.html

since you dont like links heres another.
 
Old 06-18-2005, 04:46 PM   #269
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Crashed again wrote:

If you really believe this, then it is your duty to try to file charges against President Bush for murder.>>

Hello Crashed again, I went back to re-read all the previous posts to make certain I am not repeating what others have already stated.

In answer to your question above there is a lawyer who is representing over 400 plaintiffs, most families of the victims of 9-11 who alledges that the government had foreknowledge of the plot, conclusive knowledge. These are victims who did not receive money or relief-they believe the government was behind the attacks. Obviously the allegations sound so preposterous that he can't get his case into a court and once again the mainstream will not give this guy any air time. For more info google Stanley Hilton.

Hilton, Bob Dole's former Chief of staff, also had his office ransacked and has received some threats, but the point being that there are those who want to expose the government BUT CANNOT get the backing they need.

RCS

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Old 06-18-2005, 04:57 PM   #270
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Henry Kissinger wrote:
"Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will pledge with world leaders to deliver them from this evil."
 
  


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