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Old 06-16-2005, 11:07 AM   #211
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It's funny your question about tin foil hats because we see it the other way...your the ones wearing the hats. See your sheople, caught up in a world that has indoctrinated you since your birth. And like a fish going for the bait you took it hook, line and sinker.

it's not your fault though, much of the history we are taught was designed that way by the founders of the NEA, such as John Dewey (social darwinist, atheist) and funded by the socialist Rockefeller foundation and other powerful elites to collectively socialize us. The idea was to remove critical thinking skills. There are many books that undeniably prove this, but it's apparent that you haven't read any...
 
Old 06-16-2005, 11:11 AM   #212
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"When conspiracy theories combine logical fallacies"

In this case, the logical fallacy is clear: it's one of false causality.

Every morning a rooster crows then the sun comes up. One might assume therefore, that the sun comes up because the rooster crows. The only way to disprove the theory is to kill every rooster on the planet and see if the sun still comes up the next morning. That's why the burden is on you to prove, not the rest of us to disprove, your conspiracy theories.

It's not the facts so much as the conclusions drawn from them that are in dispute anyway. It's entirely possible the world is round; but the most knowledgeable of men at the most prestigious of institutions still say it's flat; and you'll have to prove them wrong because they'll never admit they are.

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Old 06-16-2005, 11:12 AM   #213
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What a pointless, wasted space of a thread for a linux forum. Aren't there other forums for this kinda stuff?

I thought we had gotten away from political, religious, and uh.. conspiracy dogma here.

How is it that a poster with 0 posts can post a million links in one post?
 
Old 06-16-2005, 11:16 AM   #214
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People, people, people.

I think both sides have argued as much as you can argue without repeating yourselves. Both sides have become ridiculous. As an impartial observer, I mean it. Both sides!

Let's drop this, right? If people read this and choose to enlighten themselves, let them. If they read it and do not, again let them...

Let people decide for themselves.

Let me offer some solace to those impassioned conspiracy theorists. Please rest easy in the knowledge that you have made your point very clearly. If it is any comfort to you, there is an ancient saying in my language: You can wake up people who sleep, but you cannot wake up people who pretend to sleep. Please ponder over that.

It is not going to help your credibility if you continue making your statements. In fact, when I first read this thread, I read through it seriously, but by repeating so many statements I am beginning to doubt your credibility.

Do not take me amiss. The points on both sides have been exhausted. I think that most of us can say that the case has been presented well on both sides.

Who knows the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? I don't... so I respectfully submit that I cannot make a judgement.

Also, it would help if impassioned anti-theorists also don't continue to ridicule individuals as nutcases or lunatics. From a neutral perspective that also looks quite lame. If you have a valid argument, please make them, but continuing this verbal assault is not at all necessary.

I am unwilling to commit myself on either side because I don't know the facts. I am willing to have an open mind.

So let's just call it a truce. I see neither side willing to give an inch so this is a dead-lock. Everybody has a right to hold their positions, but in a forum like this, this can lead to pretty enstranged situations.

I hope people take this in the right way...

Thanks and regards.
 
Old 06-16-2005, 11:45 AM   #215
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It's funny your question about tin foil hats because we see it the other way...your the ones wearing the hats. See your sheople, caught up in a world that has indoctrinated you since your birth. And like a fish going for the bait you took it hook, line and sinker.

it's not your fault though, much of the history we are taught was designed that way by the founders of the NEA, such as John Dewey (social darwinist, atheist) and funded by the socialist Rockefeller foundation and other powerful elites to collectively socialize us. The idea was to remove critical thinking skills. There are many books that undeniably prove this, but it's apparent that you haven't read any...
Uh, hate to break it to you, but atheists and free thinkers would rather you think than not. Preferably with a critical eye. Speaking as an atheist myself, I know I often get discouraged by the lack of critical thinking, so I can hardly believe ANY atheist would prefer you not be critical.

But then again, the reason I'm not a conspiracy fan is BECAUSE I am critical. Of everything, ghosts, monsters, gods-- pretty much any mythological creature is dismissed out of hand without evidence. I don't need a lot of evidence, but definately enough to not laugh at you.
 
Old 06-16-2005, 11:53 AM   #216
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I myself am an antitheist, which is basically atheist, plus hate for religion.
I believe this, because I can think for myself. Because I don't believe the BS I'm being served.
 
Old 06-16-2005, 12:33 PM   #217
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Thanks gbhill, that was a much better post than a lot I have seen on here. You have provided me with some good info to research. But I know a lot of this stuff has been done already.

I will be looking in to certain issues further and I have seen that photo before I will find out where! Im sure that was the one that analysis proved the holes on it were a different shape than a passenger jet. But thanks.

You really should watch your government closely though, and get your news from sources that show you the news without massive spin ( not talking about conspiracy sites! ). You will be amazed at how the world really works. Sites often just get stories from major news sites and just put them in an order so you can see what was astually happening but it was played down so nobody really knew.

I just watched an amazing documentary called 'The revolution will not be televised'About what happened in Venezuala in 2002 when there was a military coup by the rich minority. The people when they found out besiged the capital and reinstated Chavaz, this was filmed at the time by two reporters who came to do a docu about Chavaz and Venezuala, as the west seemed to be so concerned about him

I would love to think everything was 'hunky dory' in the states and the world but I know it isnt so and some terrible times are going to come for anyone who gets in the way and probably many, many more also. Look at history and draw easy parralels its all happening again, but, much more sophisticated. Watch out for Arnie hes gonna be such a leader, straight to doom

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Old 06-16-2005, 12:38 PM   #218
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Originally posted by Rockclimber
It's funny your question about tin foil hats because we see it the other way...your the ones wearing the hats. See your sheople, caught up in a world that has indoctrinated you since your birth. And like a fish going for the bait you took it hook, line and sinker.

it's not your fault though, much of the history we are taught was designed that way by the founders of the NEA, such as John Dewey (social darwinist, atheist) and funded by the socialist Rockefeller foundation and other powerful elites to collectively socialize us. The idea was to remove critical thinking skills. There are many books that undeniably prove this, but it's apparent that you haven't read any...
round and round we go. So who runs this whole thing? I mean, who are the real people in charge? What are their names?

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Old 06-16-2005, 12:55 PM   #219
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Harishanker great post, your openness is how I see myself (or at least want to be).

Go look at a couple of documentaries many are PBS(getting lame though, getting controlled now) The BBC or C4 in UK. The power of nightmares is fantastic by the BBC. And always be skeptical, as it is hard to accept much of what is actually going on, but the evidence just gets overwhelming in the end.

Just get bittorrent here Get bittorrent client here

Then choose what you want from here

One of the reasons stopping people looking into this obvious area is 'what if it is true, what will I do' dont worry we manage to deal with it without putting a tin hat on . If it is true then at least you will be able to spot the takeover when it comes and protect yourself.
 
Old 06-16-2005, 01:03 PM   #220
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<<But then again, the reason I'm not a conspiracy fan is BECAUSE I am critical. Of everything, ghosts, monsters, gods-- pretty much any mythological creature is dismissed out of hand without evidence. I don't need a lot of evidence, but definately enough to not laugh at you.>>

I'm not talking about the supernatural. Like you I see know evidence of any of these things.

However, you're not a conspiracy fan because you have not challenged your beliefs, trust me. YOu have a worldview that has been indoctrinated in you and that is why you won't challenge any conspiracy. I posted a conspiracy that is alive and well and it is being suppressed by our mainstream media, and our politicians. CAFTA/FTAA. See I offer you a real conspiracy and you choose not to believe it. Again, pathetic really. If you didn't hear it from your trusted government or your trusted media, well than I guess it's not true, is my supposition about right? I am only offering you once example of the numerous "conspiracies" that are occuring and none of you will research this.

Unbelievable.
 
Old 06-16-2005, 01:30 PM   #221
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<<round and round we go. So who runs this whole thing? I mean, who are the real people in charge? What are their names?>>

Well if you want names I can provide several. If one were to look at the Bilderberg list of attendees you would get a real good idea about who. WorldNetDaily posted the last list which inclue royalty, international bankers, David Rockefeller, Lord Rothchild and/or their representatives, media CEOs or the owners, Kathryn Graham for one, world leaders and politicians, Henry Kissinger, CEOs or owners of International Corporations etc.,. What we are talking about is THE WORLD ELITE and they meet in secret. They will not publish their minutes, only their attendee list and that only happened recently. Most of them are involved in secret societies, one being Freemasonry and their are those into Earth Worship, (the mother goddess) and other pagan if not satanic secret societies which I can elaborate on but it sounds to incredibly unbelievable to be true. I have researched secret societies for several years, they do exist and many are into rituals straight out of Eyes Wide Shut (or similar), often many bloody rituals. The FBI has been given orders to not report SRA (satanic ritual abuse) because those who practice it turn out to be the super wealthy who live lives incredibly different from our own. Most are sick sobs.

I can provide a list of names and occupations from the Bilderberg list if needed. Real lists from credible sources. Trust me it will blow your mind. The thing we have to ask is why do they do these things in secret and how do we know what we know if it has been done in secret. Well as you know, secrets are not always kept. Most of the ''intelligence" comes from the workers who serve the guests. They are threatened that they will never work again if they mention anything that comes out of the meetings. No kidding, I couldn't make this stuff up. In addition, they have armed personnel, MI5 and CIA agents watching the perimeter with new orders: "shoot to kill".

A man name Jim Tucker has been following Bilderberg for decades and has a plethora of information on them. Bottom line is the world elites are planning for fascistic globalism. Much of their drive is they think they know what's best for us. They are watching populaton growth, diminishing resources, religions, and creating fear inducing stories that scare the world over such as peak oil, global warming etc. which are nothing but control mechanisms to scare the masses into subjugation.

Governments are ran by shadow governments who they fear because of their wealth and power. Most of our politicians have been compromised which iswhy they are so willing to go along with the agenda.

Think about it.
 
Old 06-16-2005, 01:48 PM   #222
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Think about it.
Yikes!!! Thats interesting though. Some of the people who run this world worship satan and drink blood. I did not know that. I'm glad you are opeing our eyes.

Are they "day walkers" like Blade or just straight vampires?
 
Old 06-16-2005, 02:09 PM   #223
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Cute. No, that's only in the movies. Don't believe me, look up a gentlemen by the name of Ted Gunderson, former FBI agent. he produced a documentary that you might find quite disturbing.

SRA happens more than you would believe, even though I know your being a sardonic moron who could really give an S less.
 
Old 06-16-2005, 02:17 PM   #224
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Who lied? When and where?

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Second: I did NOT ask ANYONE on any other forums to help me. LQ is a massive site, hundreds of people online at the same time. You can expect at least some intelligent people who know what's really going on to stumble across this.
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2 : to create a false or misleading impression
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Old 06-16-2005, 02:27 PM   #225
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I admit I asked for a little help on an IRC channel, but I didn't make a thread on a forum. I was overwhelmed by sheeple..I can't handle 20 people who believe fox alone :P
 
  


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