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battlestationX 07-04-2019 05:49 PM

Google Stadia is coming out, what do you think of it?
 
Google Stadia is Google's online gaming platform.. It allows you to play ANY video game through a web browser. There's no need to purchase any PC hardware or gaming consoles, as you can just play from any screen; from phones to TVs. As a cherry on top their service is free (unless you want 4K gaming than it's $10/mo, and obviously the video games still cost money). Also their servers run on Linux, and they use AMD graphics cards.

As a privacy advocate I really dont think it's a bad thing, not having to spend $5000 on a gaming PC. But I notice there are many non-technical gamers saying they hope this new service doesnt take off, cause "Google is evil" and cause they prefer to own their hard-copies of their video games (also some skeptism about lag, but im sure Google has ironed that out).

I can see this service killing the console industy, and alot of 'YouTube gaming-PC hardware reviewers' seem to be worried.. What do you guys think, is SaaS-based gaming a good or bad thing? I realize gaming is a huge industy as so if Google's dominates this market, than it'll probably set a trend in many other aspects of personal computing.

dugan 07-04-2019 07:02 PM

John Carmack mentioned in one of his Quakecon keynotes that with a traditional gaming PC, you have one or two GPUs rendering your graphics; with a cloud you can (theoretically) use an arbitrary number of GPUs simultaneously.

This was in 2013, back when Onlive was still being talked about.

battlestationX 07-04-2019 10:26 PM

Yeah that's the point, you have access to the best hardware avaliable without having to pay for it (well $10/mo if you want 4K). I dont see how this model doesnt succeed, the concept has already proved successful with AWS and GCE (for buisness networks).

I didnt expect Google to be the ones to do it first, but it turns they were the most capable of it, since the services they already offer such as gmail, maps, youtube etc are not so different. But I thought Microsoft would have done it first since they are experieced with making video games.

fido_dogstoyevsky 07-05-2019 01:25 AM

You asked for opinions, so have these for free (and they're worth every cent):

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Originally Posted by battlestationX (Post 6012009)
Google Stadia is Google's online gaming platform...

So whether or not you use it depends on how much you trust Google.

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Originally Posted by battlestationX (Post 6012009)
...their service is free (unless you want 4K gaming than it's $10/mo...

Plus whatever information Google is capable of sucking out of you. It's as free as their search engine, mail service, cloud storage etc. The nett value of the service to you depends on the value you place on your remaining privacy.

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Originally Posted by battlestationX (Post 6012009)
...and cause they prefer to own their hard-copies of their video games...

Like me - with games, software and books (OK, the "hard copy" may just be a backup disk, but I can see it and know it's under my control, not on somebody else's computer).


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Originally Posted by battlestationX (Post 6012009)
...What do you guys think, is SaaS-based gaming a good or bad thing?...

Depends on who'se providing it and how they're doing it. Can be good, can be bad.

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Originally Posted by battlestationX (Post 6012009)
...if Google's dominates this market, than it'll probably set a trend in many other aspects of personal computing.

It's a trend they've been trying to establish for some time. I'm afraid I can't stretch my imagination enough to see it as good.

battlestationX 07-05-2019 05:23 AM

^ Thanks for your response!

1. I don't trust them, but I dont see the harm in this service.

2. I don't use Google for anything, so the only info they would get about me is the games I play, and who I talk to in those games.

3. I don't understand why you feel the need to "own" the game, it's the same game however you play it. I admit, I prefer physical books though cause I like to hold them.

4. I don't think Google is "good" but again I see no harm in this service.

5. I suppose you're right, but the future is inevitable.

fido_dogstoyevsky 07-05-2019 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by battlestationX (Post 6012135)
^ Thanks for your response!

1...
2...
4...

Each person's response depends on themselves, largely based on what value they place on the service they receive and what value they place on the true cost - of which many people aren't fully aware.

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Originally Posted by battlestationX (Post 6012135)
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3. I don't understand why you feel the need to "own" the game, it's the same game you play it. I admit, I prefer physical books though cause I like to hold them...

This one's easy to answer. Because I don't like the idea of somebody deciding that they're no longer making enough money out of something I use and so discontinuing it. I don't play games, read books or use software that can disappear from a server at somebody else's convenience.

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Originally Posted by battlestationX (Post 6012135)
...5. I suppose you're right, but the future is inevitable.

Another easy one; any particular future is only inevitable if we allow it to be. Seriously.

battlestationX 07-05-2019 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by fido_dogstoyevsky (Post 6012151)
This one's easy to answer. Because I don't like the idea of somebody deciding that they're no longer making enough money out of something I use and so discontinuing it. I don't play games, read books or use software that can disappear from a server at somebody else's convenience.

That's a fair point seeing what happened to Google+, but I think Stadia will end up being as reliable as Google Search. Also alot of people never play their games again after beating them...

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Originally Posted by fido_dogstoyevsky (Post 6012151)
Another easy one; any particular future is only inevitable if we allow it to be. Seriously.

Sure we can opt to not use it, but there are millions of other people who will continue to use such services. Making our digital protest pointless.

fido_dogstoyevsky 07-05-2019 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by battlestationX (Post 6012180)
...I think Stadia will end up being as reliable as Google Search...

The search engine is reliable, provided you're willing to pay the cost.

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Originally Posted by battlestationX (Post 6012180)
...Sure we can opt to not use it, but there are millions of other people who will continue to use such services. Making our digital protest pointless.

Are you talking about google or windows :)

It isn't about making a protest, it's about protecting what's left of our privacy.

It's a bit like the early days of seat belt wearing in cars, early wearers were a very small minority. Inconvenience was a common excuse for not wearing them (really, not making this up). And occassionally we were made fun of. But the improved survival rate was eventually noticed. Which is why being in the minority didn't worry me when I took up using Linux and it doesn't worry me to be a DDG user (still in the minority, but no longer an unheard of search engine). And it certainly doesn't worry me to be a facebook and twitter abstainer.

Privacy advocates are still a minority, but we are slowly growing in numbers.

business_kid 07-11-2019 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by fido_dogstoyevsky
it doesn't worry me to be a DDG user (still in the minority, but no longer an unheard of search engine). And it certainly doesn't worry me to be a facebook and twitter abstainer.

+1 on that.

fatmac 07-11-2019 08:36 AM

Good or bad - it doesn't concern me - I don't play computer games - I know a lot of people do, & I think it will take off, simply because you will be able to play the next generation game as soon as it comes out.

Arcane 07-21-2019 03:02 AM

I think it is good idea. It will allow test newer games before buying them and|or buying better PC. And it won't kill anything cause it requires internet connection.

petelq 07-21-2019 05:33 AM

I don't play games but I try to avoid anything google. I do have an android phone but android is open source and I don't have any gapps or any other google apps.

Arcane 07-21-2019 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by petelq (Post 6017182)
I don't play games but I try to avoid anything google. I do have an android phone but android is open source and I don't have any gapps or any other google apps.

Are you sure android and google are not on same page? Some applications and background processes are related to google and cannot be killed and|or uninstalled.

petelq 07-21-2019 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Arcane (Post 6017216)
Are you sure android and google are not on same page? Some applications and background processes are related to google and cannot be killed and|or uninstalled.

No I'm not sure but everything openly google is off my phone. I suppose they could hide stuff in there but I've done as much as I can.

Slackware_fan_Fred 07-21-2019 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by battlestationX (Post 6012135)
^ Thanks for your response!

1. I don't trust them, but I dont see the harm in this service.

2. I don't use Google for anything, so the only info they would get about me is the games I play, and who I talk to in those games.

3. I don't understand why you feel the need to "own" the game, it's the same game however you play it. I admit, I prefer physical books though cause I like to hold them.

4. I don't think Google is "good" but again I see no harm in this service.

5. I suppose you're right, but the future is inevitable.

I agree on all of your point's except #2 since I use Youtube and Gmail, & #3 since besides ALWAYS being in possession of them and not have to hope that it will be available online all the time... say that Google or any other company feels that a game go's against their "Moral" stance like Amazon removing ebooks that people payed for, whose too say that some company especially Google to just let content that "Offends" small or large groups of people stay available for play.
Plus there's always the possibility that the network is down then you have to wait, unlike physical where you just insert the game and play.


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