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Old 02-17-2019, 11:37 AM   #1
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"Google Knows When You Are Sleeping, Knows When You're Awake"


Bloomberg reports that all kinds of "smart devices" are talking behind your back (no surprises there!).

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-you-go-to-bed

Here's an excerpt from the article:

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For several years, Amazon and Google have collected data every time someone used a smart speaker to turn on a light or lock a door. Now they’re asking smart-home gadget makers such as Logitech and Hunter Fan Co. to send a continuous stream of information.

In other words, after you connect a light fixture to Alexa, Amazon wants to know every time the light is turned on or off, regardless of whether you asked Alexa to toggle the switch. Televisions must report the channel they’re set to. Smart locks must keep the company apprised whether or not the front door bolt is engaged.
We are Trojans, and we have invited a herd of horses into our homes.
 
Old 02-17-2019, 12:17 PM   #2
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We are Trojans, and we have invited a herd of horses into our homes.
Not Me!
 
Old 02-17-2019, 01:14 PM   #3
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Nor me either! But if someone out there knows whether your front door bolt is engaged or not, he can come and burgle you whenever the door reports itself as vulnerable. That doesn't seem very smart to me.
 
Old 02-17-2019, 01:49 PM   #4
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All the more reason to rely on keys and light switches instead of delegating every single task, no matter how minor, to a computer. If it doesn't require a computer, it probably shouldn't involve a computer.
 
Old 02-18-2019, 03:31 AM   #5
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Bloomberg reports that all kinds of "smart devices" are talking behind your back (no surprises there!).
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-you-go-to-bed
The writer of the article seems to assume that it's normal and common to have these devices (plural) at home.
I have only one smart device, which is my phone (and I sincerely hope I have some control of who it talks to, and that it shuts up when i switch it off).
I also don't know any other people that have smart switches, lights, locks.
Strange.
 
Old 02-18-2019, 08:15 AM   #6
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That doesn't seem very smart to me.
"Smart" in the context of these devices, is a misnomer. They are certainly "home automation" among other things...

I believe "smart" marketing terms were borrowed from the similar military term - i.e. smart munitions (and dumb munitions).

"Heads up display" (HUD) is another one, you will see this applied to devices such as sat navs or phone holders for automobiles, which are not in fact HUDs.

I'm sure that there are other military terms have been borrowed for marketing such tat at the masses before, though I can't seem to recall any other such specific examples off hand.

It's "home automation" - read convenience, for those who are "far too busy...", etc.

If we look at the humble washing machine, we have a great example of home automation few could live without nowadays. It's a labour saving device, not in the sense that it serves the lazy and feckless until it's eventual demise, but that it frees up ones time (not to mention saving your spine) to do other necessary menial tasks, rather than being stooped over a sink hand washing clothes.

By contrast, a piece of gadgetry which switches the light on/off for someone too idle to get off their arse, is not "labour saving" by anyone definition.

It comes back to the sacrifice of security for convenience. As a notable example of such, if you have some kind of "smart locks" on your door, you have done just that. Any kind of suggestion that it could be more secure could only come from the marketing department of the corporations making billions out of designing and selling this tat...

And don't forget that, as is always the case, any compromises, data breaches, etc, will see the these same corporations walk away unscathed.

I personally think there is a certain "Darwinist" element to all of this - to be perhaps overly cynical, these things are often being bought by people who are buying, not just the products, but buying onto the lies and snorting derisively at those who do not - regarding them as "luddites" or whatnot... for me it's in much the same league as the smarthphone wielding "ooooh but everyone's on facebook" crowd.
 
Old 02-19-2019, 08:12 PM   #7
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"Smart" in the context of these devices, is a misnomer. They are certainly "home automation" among other things..
I agree, though I'm not sure of the derivation. I blame the marketeers for equating "speedy" with "smart."

I'm certainly not getting any of that stuff and, if I have no choice (say, a "dumb" refrigerator isn't on the shop floor when I'm in the market for a fridge which I plan to be soon), I'm certainly hooking not it up.

I had to replace my heating system this year and the new thermostat is "smart," meaning you can install an app and program it remotely from your phone. Me, I'd rather walk upstairs.
 
Old 02-19-2019, 08:37 PM   #8
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I have a TV that was "smart" for its time - now probably "less dumb". When I got it I connected it to my router so it could check for firmware updates. It has been blocked ever since.
I can't imagine having a device that listens to everything in the room(s). That extends to phones of course.
The IoT will come, and we won't be able to block it - it will use a side channel based on the mobile phone spectrum. I'll see if I can find that link again ...
 
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If you have all these 'smart devices' in your home.....

......what happens when you get a power cut!
 
Old 02-20-2019, 06:07 AM   #10
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QUESTION

If you have all these 'smart devices' in your home.....

......what happens when you get a power cut!
They become very "dumb devices" ...
 
Old 02-20-2019, 11:56 AM   #11
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My 63 f100 runs points ignition and a carb
my 1980 Harley Davidson XLS runs points and a carb.
I got a kite.

I would jump in either vehicle. Go to the park. Fly a kite. Ask others around what is going on today.

That is what I would do if the whole shebang went down.
 
Old 02-20-2019, 11:58 AM   #12
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Oh yeah. Living 2 weeks from everywhere.

Google is welcome to know certain things about me. Cuz I am lost in the wilderness.

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Old 02-20-2019, 12:38 PM   #13
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does google know when i been bad or good too?
 
Old 02-20-2019, 07:28 PM   #14
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If you have all these 'smart devices' in your home.....

......what happens when you get a power cut!
Smart devices replace things that wouldn't work without electricity either way. The difference is that smart devices also stop working if your internet connection goes out. Imagine freezing in the winter because you need an internet connection to control your thermostat. THIS IS ALREADY HAPPENING TO PEOPLE.
 
Old 02-20-2019, 09:17 PM   #15
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does google know when i been bad or good too?
Well, you better not shout,
you better not cry,
you better not pout
I'm telling you why...

Google
is snooping
around.

It knows when you've been sleeping,
It knows when you're awake,
It knows when you've been bad or good
so be good for your own sake.
 
  


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