Goodbye Linux and good riddance
 

Ahem.

I've been working on and off with Linux for the past four years. I've set up and used Slackware, RedHat, Mandrake and Ubuntu. I've messed with Knoppix and Helix and thoughout it all, I've found one common thread: they are all [a bit difficult for me to use].

That's right. I hate Linux. In fact, I think Linux [is not very good]; however I don't think it's entirely to blame on it's own.

The reason that I hate Linux is because it's 100% non-intiuitive. Nothing makes sense, nothing works out of the box (except for perhaps Ubuntu and Mandrake), compiling is a pain in the [bottom] and searching for precompiled packages from endless FTP servers is a waste of time. I used to think, "Yeah [poo to] Windows, I'm goin' over to the other side!" Now I realize that I'm either going to stay with Windows or have to use a corny-bottomed Mac. But I'm tired. I'm tired of searching endlessly for an answer to why my video won't display right, tired of trying to find answer to why I have a kernel panic message and tired of being frustrated. I'm sick of screwing around with VI, searching for and editing text files, I don't want to do this anymore. I've done this all when I was 19--when I had nothing better to do and no job!

This points to the other half of why I hate Linux. I am so [terribly] sick to death of asking a question in a forum (be it this one or others) and getting a RTFM back. I suppose the namesake of this site is correct. It's not linuxanswers.org because there aren't too many solid answers here. I'm sure there are lots of helpful people out there and I mean them no offense, but I wish they would have chimed in on some of the questions I've asked in the past. I'm so sick to [blinking] death of the [kind soul] who pops in to say something useless like "well, you need to read the man pages on lilo". No [excrement] sherlock, but I'm an adult with a job a family and a life. I don't have the time to go sorting through endless examples of exotic configurations that don't apply to my situation. If I did, I wouldn't be asking a question. I mean, for those who do put the (seemingly) obligatory RTFM posts in here, do you really think you're helping someone? Do you really think that they've never even tried looking for an answer?

I finally took the old PIII 833 heap I've been wrestling with to the dump tonight and threw all of my old distro CDs in the bag with it. I'm just done. This event was precipitated by several failed installs of Slackware 11.

Please note, I'm not looking for comments. Leave 'em if you want; I could give a crap at this point.

Sorry to hear it. But the best advice to any computer user is to use what works best for you and meets your need, be it Windows/Mac/Linux/Solaris/Dos/Pen&Paper. It really does take a certain kind of person to enjoy linux since it is an ever evolving, changing, growing operating system.

Good luck to you and no hard feelings!:cool:

If you really have several years of exposure to Linux, it's probably too late. You can leave it behind, but you've seen the "truth," and you'll never really be happy away from it.

It's like the proverb about raising children, "Train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not depart from it."

I hope by the time you return your attitude will be a little better, it'll help you a lot.

Well i find it kinda strange that your post count is just 5 and threads 2 including this one, the other thread here http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...d.php?t=495924 and you're already sick of posting. Didnt' get answers, that's a lie, atleast here at LQ, dunno about other sites where you asked for help.

You have no right to judge LQ by its name or anything. This is a volunteer site not a service. People come here to ask and answer questions, not to owe anything to anybody. We never asked you to try Linux.

So you had problems and we all have, some get solved some don't. That don't mean stop trying. Oh yeah i forgot you got a family, a job,a life and what are we, just some bluecollar snobs who don't have all these right?

No hard feelings though,if you didn't find any solutions, go RTFM :D

Don't come back.

NOTE: The views expressed are of my personal nature, it has got nothing to do with LQ.

Bye..

I'm finally at peace after my switch to Ubuntu 6.10. No more spyware, no constant concerns of viruses, no freezing up, no crashing, and most of my hardware works perfectly out of the box. The only thing I have to configure is my Tv Tuner, which once I learned how to set it up, takes me all of 3min. If Linux(whatever flavor), wasn't working for you, did you ever think it might be you?

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>> "I finally took the old PIII 833 heap I've been wrestling with to the dump tonight ..."

you should have them given away to someone else , these things can make wonders sometimes ...


>> "This event was precipitated by several failed installs of Slackware 11 ..."

why not just pick one distro(for example ubuntu) , install it and just use it plainly ... infact windows users dont need to know and setup anything(for example ftp , http , mail etc etc) ... at least thats how i use my windows once upon a time ... ...


//stick with ubuntu ...


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I wonder if anyone still uses the phrase "PEBKAC" (Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair). It would apply perfectly in this situation. Hell, even in windows and mac, if you read and learn what to do, everything is alot easier and things go smoother.

Well, let's see. windoze sucks snot; finds inumerable ways to trash itself, etc, etc, etc.

You don't like Linux because what it requires you to learn is more that you are willing to tolerate.

My suggestion: try Mac OS-X to see if that works better for you. It's certainly more stable that winders; not as problematic for you as Linux.

Perhaps, some day in the future, you will wish you had a way to control what gets installed, how it gets installed, etc. Then you will remember Linux. By then, Linux will have grown, you will have more options, and perhaps one of them will suit you better than the current offering.

Good luck to you.

Geez zamoti, Linux is just going to fold up and go away now that you're abandoning it. What will we do now?

You've made 5 whole posts here and you dare to make insulting statements about LQ? I have two choice words for you but that would violate the rules and spirit of LQ so I'll refrain from typing them out here.

I'll just never be able to sleep tonight knowing that you couldn't figure out how to install or use something millions of other people have.

actually good idea ...

try macosx and decides whether is it worth coming back to linux ...

i believe there will be a time when users start looking into every aspect(may or may not exactly computer related) in desktop computing and considering them as a whole ...


//now , which system does it best and plainly ...


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While I understand how you can be frustrated, you're wrong by saying that Linux is crap. Linux (and to a bigger picture UNIX) is the standard by which other operating systems are designed as it's the great grand-daddy of them all. If it wasn't for UNIX there would not be a Windows (which came from DOS, which came from CP/M, which came from UNIX) or a Macintosh. If it wasn't for UNIX you would never be able to view a web page because there wouldn't be an Internet for you to view the web page The Internet (for example) is built on UNIX and Linux so it's not crap. I've been fortunate enough as a support engineer to work for PC companies, UNIX companies, and Apple and I've learned each type of system has it's place and purpose. Windows and Macintoshes exist because not everyone needs or wants the robustness and complexity of UNIX. On the other hand Windows and Macs are better geared toward people who want USE computers more than UNDERSTAND them.

UNIX is NOT for people who are looking for the quick answer and because there is no formal support with the free distros you obviously will have to do the research yourself or depend on the community...or buy UNIX support so you can ask someone what you need to know. But at least you know why computer guys get the big bucks....

P.S. Nice touch to Rick for quoting Proverbs 22:5 (NWT) :D

Your experience is your experience. Mine is different.
If you really find Linux to be useless you definately should not use it. Perhaps you are aware there are people on this forum that feel Windows is useless and they refuse to use it. AFAIC you are both welcome to your opinions as I am to mine.
Again my experience is not the same. I am often impressed with Linux distributions I try.
Rule number one is to never attempt to replace what you are already using cold turkey. You should be deciding to use something different based on your own personal knowledge.
This sentance alone would shows why after 4 years and multiple distributions you still find no comfort. No software "makes sense". You just have to learn to use it, or not. There is a very good website for people who want to believe Linux is Windows. Linux is not Windows, Windows is not Linux, 'nuff said.
You truely could not find Pico or Nano (if you prefer text mode), or a GUI text editor, in 4 years, that you prefered. Excuse me but ROFLOL.

And the icing on the cake about how no answer is good enough for you and you don't care anyway.
Should I call "troll"?

I just love these "I'm taking my toys and going home" threads. LOL

i think its better to say to him that theres no sense in running windows(or use windows for personal reasons) if there is linux and linux does matured to a point right now(after all those fucking brain-dead years) where it is catered for common personal computing usages ...

just make sure you got all your linux stuffs right first , after that , you just use it plainly ...

if for some obscure reasons you are thinking of going slightly deeper than just use it plainly , you will be glad that you have choosen linux in the first place ...


//please come back ... son ...


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Why? If he wants to use Windows or OS/X let him use them. Why should we care?

we must be helpfull and have compassion on our siblings ... if we are seeing them doing the wrong way , we should let thm know and dont just give up on them ...


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The OP is an adult that has been unsucessfully trying to use Linux for 4 years by his account. If the OP really feels his statements are true he should cut his losses right now. There is no use kicking a dead mule.

Actually, as fond as I am of Linux and so-on, I can understand what this person is saying. It is very easy to find yourself in the situation of constantly struggling with "why?" That is to say, finding yourself in a situation where you are suddenly confronted with yet-another bizzare incident that has popped out of nowhere and you must solve it in order to get anywhere. There is still way too much of that .. crap .. out there. It shouldn't be there. It shouldn't be happening. We need to improve.

What we need to do, in the Linux community, is to consider those kinds of complaints seriously. When a customer complains, don't get defensive.

You might seriously enjoy Macintosh OS/X. In fact, you might find what you are looking for. It's a spectacularly well engineered (imho), purpose-built Unix box.

Why? Who gave up on him? The guy comes here, makes a total of 5 posts and condemns all of us for not being helpful so he's gonna stop using Linux and we should all feel sorry for him or something?

The simple truth is that "Linux isn't for everyone" is true. Some people really are better off using some other OS.

As far as being helpful goes, that's why LQ exists and anyone who has been here for a while and participated in the forums is typically helpful to those who ask for help.

That doesn't mean we have to grovel and beg when someone decides they want to stomp off in a huff because people who volunteer to help out here aren't responding quickly enough or haven't flown to their homes and fixed their problems for them.

Good Bye, Zamoti! and Good Riddance!

That's what happens when you allow the user total control over the system. In my experience the vast majority of problems can be directly traced back to the nut behind the keyboard.


Customer? I don't recall getting paid. The Linux community is more like a family and every family has "those people".

there are times where we may need medically treating a dead horse like it is still alive ...

he might not be noticing it but the potential of survival towards those still "unconcerning" is great ...


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Ummmm, yeah. Whatever dude. Next time I come across a dead horse I'll be sure to give him a couple Advil.

Ouch, every time I hear of someone throwing away a perfectly usable PC, it makes me want to cry. I could have used that!

Seen one tantrum, seen them all.

Anyway, the op is a grown man -- he's earned the right to cry like a little girl.

Ramble moved to General where it's better off since it's
not a linux-question.

Pfff....I used to get that a lot with windows. And what was the fix i was told to use when i contacted microsoft about critical system failure?

"You may have to reformat your hard-drive, Sir".

What does that fix? I used to format my hdd on average 6 times a year. I liked tinkering with the system, but i guess you know what happens when you do that with windows....

I've benn using Linux for just under a year now. All my PC's run linux and i haven't looked back.
It just requires effort in the first few months.

Now, how can anyone expect premium tech-support for something they got for free?
the fact that linuxquestions.org exists is thanks to the good-will of other linux advocatres, who are by no means forced to do it in the first place.

@ the OP: if you wan't professional support and don't want to ever lift your fat arse from your chair, go and BUY a supported distro, such as RHEL, SLED, or even one of Mandriva's payed versions.

And I don't beleive that after four years you got only this far.
But if you aren't prepared to make an effort, no matter how small, nothing in life is really worth-while.

I hope you enjoy emptying your piggy-bank when you go and buy Vista, and all the necessary hardware upgrades and other software to go with it. You can always live on discarded pizza boxes untill you make up for your losses, but thats a very sad existance....

To me, after quite a long time, pretty much everything makes sense. Not completely everything, but most of it; pick a thing that doesn't make sense and people here can show you how it makes sense. "Nothing" and "except" in the same sentence..oh well. If you ever got an installer running, it worked out of the box, right?

I got frustrated with compiling too, before I tried out Zenwalk (and now testing Slackware). It really is up to either you setting the tools up, or choosing a distribution that has it already done after the setup. No pain in the ass, just working stuff.

And why would you search for precompiled packages from FTP servers (or anywhere), with nowadays' automatic package management systems, like apt (on Ubuntu, which you mentioned)? I would really really have to think hard for a package that I truly need that can't be found in the reposities and be installed with two clicks or one command. Maybe you're just talking about very rare packages, or versions; with them you might run into trouble.

What I see in that post is just plain frustration, which is then painted with anger towards the first thing you can think of; if you think back to the days you "left Windows" (like you said), I'm pretty sure you felt that way too. So in the end nothing else has changed but the target of your anger; your reason of frustration might still be the same, "why don't things just work?". And the answer?

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EDIT: I wonder why you waste energy on hating Linux, since nobody is forcing you to use it. You don't have to pay for it, you don't have to have it pre-installed when you buy a pc, your mates don't ask you to use it because they don't know how to use that-other-operating-system, your wife (you're a family man, right?) doesn't say you should use Linux instead, ...

If you're sane as people usually tend to be, you understand that it's your own choice whether or not you use Linux. You chose it, you may as well just drop it. No shouting needed.

http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/war...tm/troller.htm

pretty well sums it up
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Aaaahh, it's been fun hasn't it? Every once in a while we get one of these and we all patiently point out the failings in the argument. However, all good things must come to an end.

Let's all get together the next time one of these missives gets posted, eh? I'll bring the beers, you bring the burgers.

Thread closed with extreme prejudice.