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Old 12-01-2017, 12:22 PM   #16
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First World Problems...

There is a chap on the train with a badly cracked tablet computer. It has taken on a kind of "2/3 built Death Star" quality, but amazingly still seems to work...
 
Old 12-03-2017, 07:27 PM   #17
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You really got to ask them, "Do you mistreat your Clothes like this?
You can't determine that just by looking at them?
 
Old 12-05-2017, 12:36 PM   #18
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First World Problems...

There is a chap on the train with a badly cracked tablet computer. It has taken on a kind of "2/3 built Death Star" quality, but amazingly still seems to work...
I'm an IT Guy, having devices, (particularly broken ones,) brought to me is part of my job. However, just as you put it, I have come across people with these "2/3 built Death Stars" being toted around as if nothing was wrong by grown adults. I don't recall otherwise how this acknowledgement is anyway a kin to frivolous whining from a higher waged or otherwise vantage point. Concerning oneself on the well being of the "home" as much as the family is by no means to be a disregarded piece of advice, as if I had been advertising the latest iPhone. Just shocking overall.
 
Old 12-05-2017, 12:56 PM   #19
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You can't determine that just by looking at them?
You'd be Surprised. Although, obviously we're not talking about the Mega millionaire business suit types. Just people you'd wouldn't expect seeing with them.
 
Old 12-05-2017, 01:05 PM   #20
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I'm confused here -- what amount of care should be taken with clothes, what amount of respect shown, why (Same goes for electronic devices)?
What constitues "clothes abuse" or "phone abuse" and whom, may I ask, is it hurting?
 
Old 12-05-2017, 01:34 PM   #21
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I'm confused here -- what amount of care should be taken with clothes, what amount of respect shown, why (Same goes for electronic devices)?
What constitues "clothes abuse" or "phone abuse" and whom, may I ask, is it hurting?
Well I think Now we're thinking a bit too deeply, for what "should" be considered common decency for one's self. In the same respects as one should dress "professionally" when in the appropriate situation, why one should maintain the functionality of one's car, to simple things like having decent manners is not a must have in terms for survival, nor necessity for one's "lifestyle" but that small bit of extra effort makes a decent improvement for one's self more than for others. Let us not think these things as extreme as you're trying to place them; but for simplicity's sake, a well kept individual, regardless of financial, or class status, is more welcomed then than an ill mannered slob, let us not kid ourselves. First impressions are everything either political way you slam it, and my recommendation is much more for their own sake, rather than myself. Most especially in terms of the simple Do it yourself sort of attitude that would make their lives much easier.

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Old 12-05-2017, 01:46 PM   #22
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Well I think Now we're thinking a bit too deeply, for what "should" be considered common decency for one's self. In the same respects as one should dress "professionally" when in the appropriate situation, why one should maintain the functionality of one's car, to simple things like having decent manners is not a must have in terms for survival, nor necessity for one's "lifestyle" but that small bit of extra effort makes a decent improvement for one's self more than for others. Let us not think these things as extreme as you're trying to place them; but for simplicity's sake, a well kept individual, regardless of financial, or class status, is more welcomed then than an ill mannered slob, let us not kid ourselves. First impressions are everything either political way you slam it, and my recommendation is much more for their own sake, rather than myself. Most especially in terms of the simple Do it yourself sort of attitude that would make their lives much easier.
Car maintenance aside -- because it could kill others if you do not maintain your car. I disagree with you completely. Clothes, dress, should only be for fun. Judge a person by anything but their actions to others and, perhaps, you'e not as open minded or moral as you think.
I don't think this is a minor thing -- why look down on somebody because they break an object which you feel is more important than another?
 
Old 12-05-2017, 02:00 PM   #23
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Car maintenance aside -- because it could kill others if you do not maintain your car. I disagree with you completely. Clothes, dress, should only be for fun. Judge a person by anything but their actions to others and, perhaps, you'e not as open minded or moral as you think.
I don't think this is a minor thing -- why look down on somebody because they break an object which you feel is more important than another?
Well keep in mind I don't benefit from this either way, but if fun for you is having your supposed "$1000" iPhone smacked down on the pavement a few good hard times purposely, forgive me if I both pity and avoid sharing my possessions in the same space with you, just saying. Heck if anything, if people were to keep their possessions in decent condition, a repair guy such as myself would practically be out of the job hehe. But clearly I'm not advertising here for people to be haphazard with their possessions here now am I?

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Old 12-05-2017, 02:06 PM   #24
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Well keep in mind I don't benefit from this either way, but if fun for you is having your supposed "$1000" iPhone smacked down on the pavement a few good hard times purposely, forgive me if I both pity and avoid sharing my possessions in the same space. Heck if anything, if people were to keep their possessions in decent condition, a repair guy such as myself would practically be out of the job hehe. But clearly I'm not advertising here for people to be haphazard with their possessions here now am I?
That looks more like jealously than moch else, to me. personally, I can't afford an iPhone but I've no issue with somebody destroying any mass-produced toy for fun, why would I?
I will accept that I do admire those who save hostorical artifacts and one-off designs but modern "smart phones" are just trash waiting to happen. As are clothes.
 
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That looks more like jealously than moch else, to me. personally, I can't afford an iPhone but I've no issue with somebody destroying any mass-produced toy for fun, why would I?
I will accept that I do admire those who save hostorical artifacts and one-off designs but modern "smart phones" are just trash waiting to happen. As are clothes.
I reassure you I do not envy people with broken possessions, (nor is that even close to the definition.) I assure you that if I wanted trash I'd go to the thrift store or even go dumpster diving. Although I will agree with you in one respect on Revamping Old "historical Devices" being cool, yes. However the whole "Trash that's waiting to happen" attitude is what gets to me. It's an inevitable, not a personal goal.

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-I can't afford an iPhone but I've no issue with somebody destroying any mass-produced toy for fun, why would I?
Oh yeah and about that. I too would not have an issue with it as long as it's not coming out of my wallet. I also like to live Dangerously. But as quoted before, those type of people I have less trust for handling such possessions, (hell, not even cheap ones either.) I'm not here to butt heads with you on how much of a punch to our wallets either one of us can take, but as someone else had said, then that becomes a sort of first world complaint when those same individuals come complaining they cannot afford anything.

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Old 12-06-2017, 03:57 AM   #26
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First of all, i think what we're discussing here depends on the country you live in.
but let's just assume that we all talk about life in so-called "Western" or "First World" countries.

I don't see these people with broken phones etc.
Or, I do see them, but I see much more people who seem to be constantly carrying around the newest shiniest slab of glass as.

We live in a throw-away culture.

That goes for devices as much as for clothes.
They are repairable, but no-one does, because it's cheaper to
  1. use the old one for just a little while longer, then
  2. get a new one straight away
In one country car repair & maintanence is so expensive that it's cheaper to just drive them 'til they fall apart, then get a new one.

Repaired articles are good, but they don't look shiny and new anymore, no matter how well you do it. They don't have the intoxicating sheen of being just ripped out of a box or wrapper.

TBH, i'd like to see more obviously-repaired-but-still-working or two-third-deathstar-fixed-with-gaffer-tape articles.
it would mean that our planet will be drowning in its own sh!t a little slower.

Unfortunately, articles are built in a way that makes that almost impossible.

i blame the industry for everything you are bemoaning in this thread.
 
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Sotoprior, I think you're essentially criticising humanity for being human. People buy these mass produced consumer devices as they're the "next big thing" which "everyone is talking about", with the latest gimmick you don't really need.

Let's be clear on this - none of these devices are really needed. They may have become essential (or just useful) to business, but updating your faecebook on the train or catching up on season 26 of $SOME_RANDOM_SENSATIONALIST_DRIVEL is a luxury rather than a necessity. Mobile phones, when they first appeared, were often called "car phones". It was very useful to have a phone in your car. They were also very useful to those in remote or rural areas.

So really it shouldn't surprise you that these toys are carefully guarded and stored safely while they're the latest and greatest, but scratched, dirty and dropped onto the pavement when they've been superseded, or about to be superseded, by the next model.

There is a reason why they're called "consumer electronics".
 
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Sotoprior, I think you're essentially criticising humanity for being human.
No it's worse than that. He's volunteering at what's clearly a service that caters largely to poor people, and criticizing the clients for being too poor to live up to his standards.

"They say they can't afford it. Sure, I understand that that may be the case, BUT BUT BUT WOULDN'T YOU.... <thread full of self-righteous rationalizations>"

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