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Michael Uplawski 07-20-2016 03:06 AM

Giving up on Firefox
 
A lot of time is wasted on social media, the same is now true for using smart phones. I do not intend to enlarge the list by more technology which began as gimmick, is then sold as progress and now considered essential.

Firefox won my sympathy about fifteen years ago but now has used up all credit in a way that makes me want to add it to my list of time-traps.

Looking around for alternatives, I find, not only for web-browsing but many tasks, good-looking applications. Those which address the problems that I have with firefox in an acceptable way and make their use comfortable, often come with their own implementations of features, which have otherwise been generalized and packed into libraries.

What I criticize in Firefox resembles to the critique that made me give up Java-programming. By just stating that you do not have to invent the wheel twice, people who express doubt over the programming errors and pitfalls encountered with community-provided libraries are ridiculed. When everybody either shuts up or downright believes that these routines “work alright”, you get programs like Firefox... or tomcat's infamous

catch OutOfMemoryError {}

Consume Conform Obey. And adapt to the standard (and restart your server every now and then, as does everybody else), you fool! (YEAH! You fool!).

Well I won't. Opera 3.21 was a beautiful program; it has been degraded since, but now Firefox is even worse, which makes Opera my new browser... and w3m, of course, for the times when my connection-speed is down.

RIP Firefox. Shoot at own discretion.

Mitt Green 07-20-2016 03:47 AM

Mmm, rants...

Btw, Firefox was first released ~14 years ago in 2002. It's becoming more and more bloated, now they merge Rust into the tree.

I myself don't waste time galore on social media, even though my generation (I am 19) does it.

Try Palemoon. As I said once here a couple of days ago, 'tis Firefox ~24 forever. Or surf.

We certainly lack a decent web engine (written in C) and thus a good browser. What I need from a browser?
Adblocker (like UBlock), NoScript, HTTPS and a kind of downloader from YouTube (and so on, see SaveFrom.net).

sundialsvcs 07-20-2016 06:53 AM

Oh, "Firefox version 1,403" is pretty good ... much better than version 1,402 which was released twelve minutes earlier. :rolleyes:

Michael Uplawski 07-20-2016 08:13 AM

I had not even yet mentioned the fooling release scheme. But yes, that adds to the overall impression. Hey. Opera is quite responsive even while my connection is crappy.

slackartist 07-20-2016 08:22 AM

firefox going strong here I like it!!

rokytnji 07-20-2016 08:39 AM

https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=netsurf

Nuff said.

Edit: oops, guess not.

https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=qupzilla

Michael Uplawski 07-21-2016 05:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rokytnji (Post 5578785)
https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=netsurf

Nuff said.

Edit: oops, guess not.

Nope. ;-)
NetSurf appears to be clean and fast, but some of the gestures, that I am accustomed to since about Netscape 3, are not available (or not in the same way) as with the other browsers. This needs a re-training before it becomes useful. Also, the build-process is quite unusual. When I thought that I had it all, downloading all the needed components to finally build NetSurf had not even begun. With my connection speed between 0 and 14K/sec this took a lot of yesterday's afternoon and a part of the night.

NetSurf is not a drop-in replacement for the current “main-stream” browsers. I would compare it more to epiphany, minus the capability to select text in multi-line textareas. Difficult to use in Web-Forums.

linustalman 07-21-2016 05:38 AM

I still love Firefox. I've had zero issues with it.

replica9000 07-21-2016 11:44 AM

I've been using both Firefox and Chrome lately. My latest Debian install on my laptop doesn't even have Firefox on it. I don't do much for social media, but once in a while I might view sometimes Facebook, Twitter, Instagram etc... Websites where only a portion of the page is loaded till you scroll down, it's those that slow Firefox down greatly. I've also been finding it doesn't play video nearly as well as Chrome. Firefox also seems to use quite a bit if memory over time. I also haven't tinkered with the settings much since version 4, so maybe a fresh start might help.

ugjka 07-21-2016 12:04 PM

Loved firefox back in the hay day when chrome was still in it infancy. Now I use mostly qupzilla witch a good alternative for chrome

RadicalDreamer 07-30-2016 11:26 AM

AOL's browser was the first I used. Was it mosaic? Then I used Netscape and I have kept on using it in its various reincarnations. I don't want to use edge and I refuse to use Chrome (Google is evil). If Firefox became unusable for me I'd go for one of its forks.

cousinlucky 07-30-2016 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ugjka (Post 5579443)
Loved firefox back in the hay day when chrome was still in it infancy. Now I use mostly qupzilla witch a good alternative for chrome

Thanks Ugjka!! Qupzilla was in my packages and I like it so far. I keep getting notified that its a non used Safari browser nowever!!

jamison20000e 07-31-2016 07:34 PM

LQ has a good list to check: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...ar-4175562711/

from: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...ds-4175562701/

I could not deal with one browser so will always have the "top" two or three plus some CLI ones installed. If a page won't load in one, should in another...

If I'm just text browsing
Code:

links
rocks! :hattip:

cwizardone 08-01-2016 07:21 AM

Opera-12.16 (and earlier) was my all time favorite browser. Now the "new" Opera is little more than yet another chrome/chromium clone. Ditto Vivaldi. IF I wanted to use chromium, I would use chromium.

For a while I used SeaMonkey to replace the "old" Opera, but a few months ago settled on Firefox. I've had absolutely no problems with Firefox. None.

sundialsvcs 08-03-2016 09:11 AM

Wait! Wait! Firefox version while (true) version++; is sure to fix all the problems! ;)


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