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LunarEagle 02-02-2005 08:43 PM

Internet Explorer. Best, Worst..?
Hi, I have been telling people why IE is bad. And why Firefox is better.
They seem to be stuck on IE being good.

Could you all give me more techinal reasons why IE is not as good as other browsers (not just Firefox).

And also Linux vs. Windows. Because there all Windows Junkies.

kinney 02-02-2005 08:52 PM

IE is heavily built into the windows operating system so when a page exploits the browser it can also get access to other things on the operating system. Since other browsers arent made this way exploiting them won't be as critical to your box

Capt_Caveman 02-02-2005 09:21 PM

The ActiveX trainwreck and poorly implemented "security zones" concept.

//Moved: This thread is more suitable in the General forum and has been moved accordingly to help your thread/question get the exposure it deserves.

scuzzman 02-02-2005 09:49 PM

Also, let's not get started on standards compliancy, or lack thereof.

Tux_Phoenix 02-02-2005 09:50 PM

Just tellthem that most pop ups only work on IE due to the way they are scripited, as well as the built in pop up blocker. As stated erlier IE has many exploits. Also Mozilla, firefox, opera offer tabed browseing.

williamwbishop 02-02-2005 09:59 PM

Don't even get me started on the access to the registry...which in itself is the worst piece of design in the world.

cs-cam 02-02-2005 10:13 PM

IE has been radically improved though since the release of Windows XP Service Pack 2. I like these debates but hate it when people get their facts wrong :mad:

Since SP2 has come out IE now ships with a very good (was better than Firefox at the time) popup blocker, much more restrictive access that web pages have to your computer and a ton of other things which were suprisingly good considering where they came from. Standards compliancy is still crappy if even existant and it doesn't yet have tabbed-browsing but the IE dev team has started a blog and judging from it they are planning to implement stuff that people are asking for.

Firefox is better hands-down but still, it's nice to see they are slowly starting to fix the mess that is IE ;)

williamwbishop 02-02-2005 10:14 PM

SP2 for xp was great, but SP1 for 2003 broke more than it fixed in my network.

XavierP 02-03-2005 03:06 AM

Tell them of the joys of tabbed browsing and the add ons/extensions available for Firefox - that's a big conversion point for those I evangelise to.

williamwbishop 02-03-2005 04:36 AM

You know, xavier, that actually IS what converted most of my coworkers! It spread like wildfire. Of course we still use IE for a lot of things, some of our enterprise applications actually use IE for an interface...but for personal use, firefox made great strides. We don't discourage it's use on the network, which is a great first step.

vharishankar 02-03-2005 05:18 AM

More and more people (and I mean non-technical users) are beginning to see IE for what it really is: a piece of insecure, bloated and buggy software. The number of viruses some people get on their systems is unbelievable! :o

I have had people around me complain of viruses in Windows and slowly everybody realises that Windows + IE is the best way to infect a system and make the PC into nothing more useful than a huge paperweight.

Some of those systems were so far gone (in viruses, trojans, whatever) that the only way I recommended to them is to wipe out their hard disks and install other OSes. It is not always possible because people are using Windows applications for their work, then I get them to use a Firewall/Antivirus and also browsers other than IE.

stabile007 02-03-2005 08:05 AM

IMO wether or not somethign is better becomes a subjective matter. You can argue until you are blue int he face and it won't matter. IMO let people use whatever the hell they want. If you don't like it too bad.

Blinker_Fluid 02-03-2005 10:12 AM

The tabbed browsing is the big reason I switched. I would rather have 10 tabs across the top of my window than 10 in my taskbar. :rolleyes:

vharishankar 02-03-2005 10:15 AM


Originally posted by stabile007
IMO wether or not somethign is better becomes a subjective matter. You can argue until you are blue int he face and it won't matter. IMO let people use whatever the hell they want. If you don't like it too bad.
But then they want to get rid of viruses too. I think that people should be made aware that Windows allows so many viruses through in spite of so many updates and patches from Microsoft.

I have spoken to many people and the single most important reason they cite for wanting an alternative to browse the web is "virus attack"!

stabile007 02-03-2005 02:42 PM

If linux had 90% of the market virus's would be just as numorous. I don't believe in an airtight program. If you are a virus writer which is cooler to say "OMG I just affected 5% of the computing world go me" or "Sweet! I just infected 40% of the computing world"

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