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Old 07-26-2020, 07:44 PM   #16
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I bet the yellow stripe is gun crime!

the reason so many people in the US fight against a gun control agreement to do things better is that it is widely known that any such agreement would never stick ... those who want things to be like they are in the UK will continue to demand for that and the debates will never end. this is not the kind of thing that can really make a win-win agreement. the only way out of this is for one side to do better than the other in eroding the number of supporters over the future generations.
 
Old 07-26-2020, 08:00 PM   #17
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I bet the yellow stripe is gun crime.
Not to be a smart-ass, but yes, murder with a gun is definitely a “gun crime”

I was surprised that the U.S. number is as (relatively) low as it is.
 
Old 07-26-2020, 08:24 PM   #18
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Lots of London kids get killed with knives. I bet their mothers don't think it's an insignificant thing.
To be clear, because I believe there's wide room for misinterpretation here, I would NEVER say that a child's death was insignificant. I've always believed that knives as with anything else are mere tools. The change from insignificant to problem comes when they are used for evil, which is something that unfortunately can't be legislated away - the human heart.

Anything, whether it's a household cleaning item or a knife, isn't a big deal to me when it's simply sitting in the drawer or under the sink. It has no power to harm or kill by itself.
 
Old 07-27-2020, 05:29 AM   #19
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US data: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...ables/table-20

UK data: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...ndingmarch2019 sheets named "Table 8" and "Table 19".

The "Other" value in the chart was obtained by subtracting the knife+firearm figures from the totals, and thus includes both other weapons and not using a weapon.
(Not sure if the above ONS spreadsheet has totals - I think I got that value from a different ONS spreadsheet.)
Thank you. Does this mean you created the graphical chart yourself? Do you mind if I use it in my blog or elsewhere?
 
Old 07-27-2020, 09:48 AM   #20
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Thank you. Does this mean you created the graphical chart yourself? Do you mind if I use it in my blog or elsewhere?
Yep, I basically plugged the numbers into LibreOffice, hit the chart button, selected the relevant preset, then exported to PNG - feel free to consider it CC0/PD and use wherever you like.

 
Old 07-27-2020, 03:58 PM   #21
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Yep, I basically plugged the numbers into LibreOffice, hit the chart button, selected the relevant preset, then exported to PNG - feel free to consider it CC0/PD and use wherever you like.
Thanks.
 
Old 07-27-2020, 04:09 PM   #22
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I have to point out that a machine didn't actually kill, it was the person holding the machine that did it.

We should ban bad people.

Yes, there may be no greater loss to a person than their own child.

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Old 07-27-2020, 05:01 PM   #23
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I have to point out that a machine didn't actually kill, it was the person holding the machine that did it.
Somehow I knew from the beginning this would zero in on discussing guns (and evtl. gun law in the US)...

I'm just going to leave this here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwkjpc5GQbk --- South Park Everyone Has Guns
 
  


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