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Old 08-21-2018, 09:10 AM   #16
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Yes, IoT is a pain too. This is why I have a router and I disallow stuff from my home to get out freely. I was horrified by my new TV that accepted voice commands with my consent to send my voice recording to the producer (where some A.I. or speech recognition should have commanded back to my TV). Are you kidding me ??? ROFL.
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I wish I could say I was kidding you, but no can do. I think far as "security and major privacy issues" go, you know what the biggest factor is? I'll tell you...US, let me explain: we want to share everything, but we also want convenience, security and did I mention privacy? Oh, that's right I did. You can see the problem there.

So really it's not a Linux problem, it's a human problem. And it's all incompatible with each other too. Soon your smartphone, fridge, etc will know more about you than you do. And then Google etc in turn. It's a brave new world my friend!

Now if you will excuse me, I'm going to have to ask my fridge to order me a pizza...

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Old 08-21-2018, 09:40 AM   #17
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I don't share, I just need to access my stuff in some places. No matter how advanced they think they are, or how much money you spend on them, or how smart they think they collect data on you, these things do not work as easy as they should.

Once, I've bought boots from Amazon, so for a year I was bombarded with commercials to booths. This is lack of imagination. They still can't make some attractive e offer (not talking about prices, but I wish they are able to tempt me with some stuff). Could be because I buy very keenly...
 
Old 08-21-2018, 09:57 AM   #18
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Once, I've bought boots from Amazon, so for a year I was bombarded with commercials to booths. This is lack of imagination. They still can't make some attractive e offer (not talking about prices, but I wish they are able to tempt me with some stuff). Could be because I buy very keenly...
You think that's bad? I got a call from a power company today.. not my power company by the way. It seems MY personal information has been sold to a data-mining company, they knew my name and MY phone number. Did I EVER give permission for that? NO, I did not. Soon that will be the norm...

Once again, brave new world...
 
Old 08-21-2018, 11:50 AM   #19
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Man, this becomes off-topic.
It happened to me too, I have asked where did they know me from, they said it is not my business.
There is a spam system for this, I don't answer to unknown numbers (because there is no gain ever and also might deal with some paid or taxing numbers too). With this simple rule I am hardly fooled or bothered.
 
Old 08-21-2018, 12:14 PM   #20
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Man, this becomes off-topic.
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Yeah, probably my fault, sorry.

To get it back to topic, I found this.

It looks like an interesting read (just found it - haven't finished reading it yet), it reminded me of the Unity desktop's demise. I think that's one of things holding Linux back, the sheer choice of GUI's available, that makes it hard for people new to know which one to go with. Let alone the age old question "which distro do I go with?" question.

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Old 08-21-2018, 12:22 PM   #21
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If one's only strong tie to Windows is Photoshop, one may find solace and a solution here

--- Solution: Make GIMP Work Like Photoshop ---
 
Old 08-21-2018, 12:31 PM   #22
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Sorry, I don't see the point in that article. I have used mainly KDE and Gnome. I find them more than fine, they are more than Windows offer since long time ago. I don't understand the question there. All these DE's and many others are excellent. It's just a matter of taste of how some user needs to have its desktop. I like the customizability of KDE, the cleanness of the Gnome. Some might say they clone Windows or OSX, but they always have more, what I have missed on Windows or OSX.


What I need more? Professional applications, like Photoshop+CameraRaw, Illustrator, CorelDraw and many more.


These apps exist for us, not vice-versa! So they should come to us.
 
Old 08-21-2018, 12:45 PM   #23
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My point was that if it's not consistent, it can be confusing for someone who's never used Linux before. I think it's a generational thing in that: people who ain't technically inclined ain't interested in how things work, they expect Linux to "look" like Windows and behave like it.

Of course you and I know different and probably are technically inclined etc. So it's more than just about how it "looks" to use. In other words: a lot of people these days just want to use the system to do stuff and don't care how it works underneath.
 
Old 08-21-2018, 12:59 PM   #24
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Hello, I hope I am not off-topic, if so, please move it to the right section!


I have lately discussed with several close source commercial graphic software creators and their communities, on their forums, on requests from their communities members (well, small parts of) to support a Linux version of some of their tools, mainly related to photography and vector graphics (like Adobe's Photoshop and Illustrator, Affinity suite etc.).
All these say Linux is a small part of the market in their opinion and do not worth the financial effort to provide Linux versions of their tools, that Linux has no future being for GPL and related or similar licensing only, that Linux community is not interested in their tools as there are free and open alternatives to them and Linux users wouldn't pay for such software and, also, Linux, in 10 years did not evolve, it misses important features to make it appealing technically to port their software, and is, basically, for geeks and has no future in this regard.
Well, after this kind of statements, after calming down, trying to take it positively, I came here to ask those that are willing to take it as a belief (on their part), based on marketing analysis, and not as a rant, what is your opinion? How true you think it is? You are on such various platforms, as I trust there are people here capable to ask to this in a cold fashion, rather than taking personally and rejecting from a start and starting to put labels on those companies and their people.
So, what do you say?


As a side note, from my personal point of view, I try to rely on Linux only in my personal life.
Okay.
 
Old 08-21-2018, 12:59 PM   #25
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a lot of people these days just want to use the system to do stuff and don't care how it works underneath.
True, this is one of the main issues, there is commonly accepted that Linux is for technical people and others won't have a chance.


Not many know OSX is a Unix, steadily built, still a *nix.


I know technical people - not IT kind - thinking there are two OS'es in the world, Windows and OSX. This is advertised.


Also a misconception is KDE or Gnome are Linux, not the bare kernel, and these are built around along with other software.


Well, I agree, what you see it's believable to be true - the illusionists rely on that too.


But many distros release KDE or Gnome based preconfigurations (to take these two as an example). People should take one of the most known available and use. I don't need to know much bash to use any of these, so it's not much needed for most of the people. Even on Windows I don't need it and many wouldn't do more than a couple of commands, if they chose to be just UI users.


Do you remember when KDE Plasma was shown to people as the new Windows? Everybody accepted it then.
 
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I'll rfephrase this: "As a side note, from my personal point of view, I try to rely on Linux only in my personal life."

As a side note, from my personal point of view, in my personal life, I try to rely on Linux only.

Meaning, for my job I have to accept other OS'es.
 
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Personally I use KDE myself, and while I did try GNOME many years ago now, I didn't like it.

Another misconception is that the GUI is a part of the OS in Linux/UNIX.
 
Old 08-21-2018, 04:03 PM   #28
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Hello, I hope I am not off-topic, if so, please move it to the right section!


I have lately discussed with several close source commercial graphic software creators and their communities, on their forums, on requests from their communities members (well, small parts of) to support a Linux version of some of their tools, mainly related to photography and vector graphics (like Adobe's Photoshop and Illustrator, Affinity suite etc.).
All these say Linux is a small part of the market in their opinion and do not worth the financial effort to provide Linux versions of their tools, that Linux has no future being for GPL and related or similar licensing only, that Linux community is not interested in their tools as there are free and open alternatives to them and Linux users wouldn't pay for such software and, also, Linux, in 10 years did not evolve, it misses important features to make it appealing technically to port their software, and is, basically, for geeks and has no future in this regard.
Well, after this kind of statements, after calming down, trying to take it positively, I came here to ask those that are willing to take it as a belief (on their part), based on marketing analysis, and not as a rant, what is your opinion? How true you think it is? You are on such various platforms, as I trust there are people here capable to ask to this in a cold fashion, rather than taking personally and rejecting from a start and starting to put labels on those companies and their people.
So, what do you say?


As a side note, from my personal point of view, I try to rely on Linux only in my personal life.
Linux is running most of the world from: supercomputers, to this thing called the Internet, mobile phones, kitchen appliances, alarm systems, cars etc... Its future is fine as is Linus'.

PS: Yes, I would also like to see a viable fork to keep pressure on Linux to stay...."untainted", for lack of better term at the moment. Regarding the GPL, I think it is one reason why Linux is in the positive position it is in.
 
Old 08-21-2018, 11:39 PM   #29
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...All these say Linux is a small part of the market in their opinion and do not worth the financial effort to provide Linux versions of their tools, that Linux has no future being for GPL and related or similar licensing only, that Linux community is not interested in their tools as there are free and open alternatives to them and Linux users wouldn't pay for such software...
Yes. Linux is a smaller market than windows and mac; they have determined that the effort of porting to other operating systems outweighs lost sales. As a user, I consider the GPL a feature and not a bug (not trying to start a gpl/bsd war, if and when I move from Linux it will be towards OpenBSD). And I would not consider either paying for or using at no cost their software BECAUSE of the licence they wish to use (I have payed (donated) money for GPL software). If they want it on my PC they need to licence it appropriately. And I understand that I therefore sometimes go without.

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...also, Linux, in 10 years did not evolve [according to proprietary software sellers], it misses important features to make it appealing technically to port their software, and is, basically, for geeks and has no future in this regard...
I would find it hard to reply to them without using the words "excrement" and "bovine".

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...as I trust there are people here capable to ask to this in a cold fashion, rather than taking personally and rejecting from a start and starting to put labels on those companies and their people.
So, what do you say?...
As a straight out business decision I say that if they don't make the product I need/want then I won't be giving them any money.

Disclaimer: I'm a semiretired business owner who has had the luxury of not being dependant on any software for which there is no Linux drop-in equivalent to proprietary software (yet) such as CAD software.
 
Old 08-22-2018, 07:12 AM   #30
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Anyone using the GPL as an excuse NOT to use software is fooling themselves. There are packages literally direct ported from FOSS that is GPL covered that is part of software distributed by Apple and Microsoft. Just because it is distributed as part of a restrictive license product they trust it more? It is still covered by the GPL (which is why they maintain and distribute it as unitary packages and patch sets) and it still works exactly the same as packages distributed by Red Hat, Google, The Debian Group, SUSE, or any other of the Linux names.
 
  


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