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Old 09-30-2004, 02:02 PM   #1
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* Many of the entry procedures in place today at airports and seaports remain unchanged and are familiar to international visitors. When a visitor arrives through an airport or seaport, he or she is enrolled in US-VISIT as part of the primary inspection process. Once land border processing is operational, visitors arriving with a visa at a land border will be enrolled in US VISIT at the secondary inspection area. (This does not initially apply to those Mexicans who use their Border Crossing Cards for trips under 30 days and within the 25-mile border zone.)

* The new, inkless digital fingerscanner is easy to use. Visitors first put the left index finger, then the right index finger on a glass plate that electronically captures their fingerscans.

* Visitors will also look into a camera and their digital picture will be taken.

I'm not so sure if I agree to that. The US makes again and again the mistakes to adhere to let them terrorise themselves. This step will not enhance Americas perception in the world. Other countries had also and continuing threat from terrorism. Now treating anybody non US as a potential terrorist is just typical paranoid.

It's just a continuation of US internal policies, bunkering themselves up from their poor. Everybody is too afraid. I agree with Michael Moore. The biggest threat for an US citizen still comes from inside. You still have the highest murder rate per capita.

Given the Oklahoma city incident, I hardly believe any future terrorist can not find a US citizen nuts enough to mass murder.

Soon everyone in the US which has some money will want a personal body guard?

I think in endeffect this means that the terrorists have won. They have terrorised you enough ..

Anyway my

I have american relatives and been there often, so I don't have inheritly anything against the US. I just think you live in an exagerated climate of fear to be honest.

Not saying life is rosy and shiny where I live, Glasgow. But less fear at least that one is attacked 24/7. My car has been broken into, a murder was down the road. I still don't wear a weapon and have barbed wire and armed security at my gates.

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Old 09-30-2004, 02:27 PM   #2
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No its not paranoid. We can only do so much. People in the US are dumb. We want to be super secure but we don't want any invasion of privacy by the government. And you can;t have one without the other. Things will change and it will help a bit. But you can never plan for everything.
Old 09-30-2004, 02:43 PM   #3
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I think with every security step, you have to ask yourself not only do you trust the current government with this data, but also any FUTURE government.

Coming from Germany, I don't particular trust any government in the future and only partially any current government, in Germany, the Uk or anywhere.

Now lets assume some nutcase IRA guy attacks the USA. Are then all catholics supposed to be a potential threat? Since the IRA is/was funded largely by US citizens hardly likely, but kinda helps to understand the picture.

Since we have the Schengener Abkommen here in Europe you can travel to many EU countries without a passport control.

Europe still stands. Spain recently attacked, still has no such measures as the US in place.

I mean the Anthrax strains have been proven to be an US strain.

I personally think the US citizens are taken for a ride here and the rest of the world too.
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"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security." - Benjamin Franklin
Old 10-01-2004, 05:44 PM   #5
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Nice quote. I think privacy is important but as is security. The main problem is that many people will question why the government needs to know what they do. I can't see the harm in having some biometric database containing basic statistics about everyone, but then there is the problem of policing who accesses it. Frequent random checks would be required on all employees with access to such a database and nobody should have unrestricted access.

But on a linux note - you can guarantee Microsoft would win the contract leaving the whole thing very expensive, unreliable and insecure so...WHY BOTHER.

If terrorists want to do something they will find ways to do it. All it will do is act as a deterrent and probably have little effect.

Perhaps trying to address why people have such a problem with western culture will help. Instead of bombing them and forcing them to accept us maybe we would be better off trying to understand and be tolerant to others.

Just a though.



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