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Old 08-07-2022, 07:01 AM   #46
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Try reading the thread, particularly from post #27. You're late to the debate, and what you are merely saying has already been discussed.

The world is in this together. Absent a united world taking concerted action, the earth is being ruined. This was foretold (with a lot else) in Revelation 11:18. Given the positive feedback loops that are developing, we could well have significant damage wrought in a couple of decades. You mentioned that a warming world (if not the consequences) was known from 1912. I am pointing out that the Bible knew it from 96 CE! Given the rest of Revelation 11:18, I deem it unlikely that one part of the verse will be fulfilled without the others following in short order. Look at it.

So people have a powerful proof that the system is ending in the Bible. I raised Rev11:18 on the 'Faith & Religion' thread. They rejected it. Now they have a compelling proof in the climate, and they can't deny it. So they went quiet. Then you came along...
 
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Try reading the thread, particularly from post #27. You're late to the debate, and what you are merely saying has already been discussed.

The world is in this together. Absent a united world taking concerted action, the earth is being ruined. This was foretold (with a lot else) in Revelation 11:18. Given the positive feedback loops that are developing, we could well have significant damage wrought in a couple of decades. You mentioned that a warming world (if not the consequences) was known from 1912. I am pointing out that the Bible knew it from 96 CE! Given the rest of Revelation 11:18, I deem it unlikely that one part of the verse will be fulfilled without the others following in short order. Look at it.

So people have a powerful proof that the system is ending in the Bible. I raised Rev11:18 on the 'Faith & Religion' thread. They rejected it. Now they have a compelling proof in the climate, and they can't deny it. So they went quiet. Then you came along...
People have been recognizing the end of times as predicted in the bible since at least 988. (Possibly earlier, I have not found an earlier reference.) I am a Christian, and Christ did not predict a date or situation for the end of the world, so I consider those non-Christian portions poor guides in any case. I think I will depend upon the science.

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Old 08-07-2022, 01:19 PM   #48
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People have been recognizing the end of times as predicted in the bible since at least 988. (Possibly earlier, I have not found an earlier reference.) I am a Christian, and Christ did not predict a date or situation for the end of the world, so I consider those non-Christian portions poor guides in any case. I think I will depend upon the science.
You're perfectly welcome to your view. And there is a reference earlier than 988: 2 Thessalonians 2:1-2 was written about 61-62 CE.
 
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Apparently I'm not waffling about this being a huge deal. Just some recent links:

drought-stricken-states-to-get-less-from-colorado-river
This is to decide who gets the less and less water predicted to come through that in the future. The individual states are being asked to notify of what restrictions they are enforcing, and whether it's farming or cities they're going to cut back.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-62524611
This UN Oceans Treaty has been dragging on because the people who need to change their behaviour won't sign, I presume.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/20...moved-montreal
Isn't there something a bit weird about a global summit to halt wild life extinction being on commondreams.org? As if we may all 'dreaam on'?

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-62569394
Highlighting data from https://www.globalforestwatch.org/ quantifying the amazing forest losses. 16 football pitches per minute of forest lost in 2021 = 8.4 Million football pitches in 2021. And because trees are gone, land is drier, so the remaining trees are more prone to fire.

Interestingly when the dry spell ended here & the UK, the ground had dried out, so there were floods. Ireland had little trouble, but the UK had major issues.

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An informative strike indeed. I m glad I found the thread. Thanks to all.
 
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So apparently the EU was subsidizing burning wood for past ~15 years? I have to concede this looks an example of bad/incompetent/fraudulent carbon budgeting.

At least they're stopping now(?)

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/15/w...statation.html

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Your link is paywalled.

Some countries had derogations to do silly things. The EU allowed that. Ireland used to burn peat (= wetlands) and it was used for generating Electricity & heating houses. When bituminous coal was being phased out, they tweaked the numbers here to allow peat. But it's gone now, with one exception. There's a few folks have hereditary or contracted turf cutting rights, and it's next to impossible to stop that legally.
 
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Your link is paywalled.
Ah, sorry, I forget about the paywall because NoScript blocks it. The article is also available here: https://archive.ph/9BYnm
 
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The only wood fuel that's in any way commercialised is wood pellet stoves. They're touted as a modern thing, so the pellets have probably had pre-processing.
 
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EU strikes deal on world-first carbon border tariff

Maybe a partial solution? It seems to be limited to certain categories:
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[...]law to impose CO2 emissions costs on imports of iron and steel, cement, fertilisers, aluminium and electricity.

Companies importing those goods into the EU will be required to buy certificates to cover their embedded CO2 emissions. The scheme is designed to apply the same CO2 cost to overseas firms and domestic EU industries - the latter of which are already required to buy permits from the EU carbon market when they pollute.
 
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At 27 members, the EU is so conflicted between US & Russian spheres of influence that everything they agree on is necessarily a fudge.
 
  


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