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Old 04-03-2016, 08:55 PM   #16
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Our planet has plenty of " human flashpoints " that can bring on very serious conflicts leading to wars of great magnitude;
http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/1761...e_planet/#more
 
Old 04-07-2016, 10:37 AM   #17
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Old 04-07-2016, 09:31 PM   #18
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My Grandmother was living in Germany during that time. "Hitler brought bread and jobs in Germany"

You have to understand that WW1 left Germany in a terrible position. Much in the same way the American South was left in ruins and kept in ruins. My Grandmother would say that you'd get paid each day. You'd have to run to the store to hope and buy bread. Bread that was sold at 100 marks on Tuesday would cost 300 Wednesday. The people simply needed to eat and mass fear was taking over the country. In some countries you could do such a thing but in Europe and other places the population simply couldn't take it.
 
Old 10-11-2016, 11:22 PM   #19
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I found this fascinating - conspiratorial sounding , but is it really so far fetched? Considering the events from year past, and the saying 'hindsight is always 20-20' - What is rather disturbing is that this time, you can see it coming but nothing you can really do about it. Plenty of false flags that have been used, 'Gulf of Tonkin 'incident'', just to name at least one.

Ironically enough - the 'big bad' Putin seems to be at least making an effort to steer clear of it, but it does seem like other entities obviously do not want peace....



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Old 10-12-2016, 08:14 AM   #20
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The Russians have dug in - now what?


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Old 10-12-2016, 09:31 AM   #21
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It's fairly easy to produce a delicious-looking graphic like the one in post #19 ... really effective ... but this is also just a throw-back to the past. A great big red (of course) background, an atomic-bomb explosion (of course), a not-so-flattering photo of Mr. Putin, and a really nice blue graphic logo for the television program.

To my view, "World War III" will not be a "corporation war" as were the previous pan-European conflicts. Neither will it be what America has been doing for the past fifteen years in its still-fruitless efforts to build an oil pipeline through Afghanistan to bypass the Russians. ("Oil, lithium, and opium," folks. That's what it has always been about.)

"World War III" will happen in the homes of individuals, who for the past dozen years have carried GPS-enabled phones around in their pocket while talking indiscriminately to their "friends" on open channels as the owners of those channels recorded and analyzed everything. Since people willingly "tagged their friends" on the photos they posted on Facebook, thereby feeding facial-recognition engines, "they even know what you look like." We will realize in hindsight that we engineered our own destruction because we were totally indiscriminate about who had access to these data and where these data were allowed to be. America freely encouraged foreign non-immigrants to flood into the ranks of their IT (purposely displacing American workers) "to save money" and "to evade the 13th Amendment." The technologies needed for "data mining" are free and open.

It never seemed to occur to anyone that there could be a risk in this, or that war could happen within the homeland even as "conventional armies" were either here or somewhere else.

Of course, it should have been obvious from "9/11" just how much warfare had been transformed, when three buildings collapsed neatly into their own footprint in a complete free-fall, and the third was the one that held New York City's supposedly-secret "counter-terrorism command center." No conventional armies marched up Fifth Avenue on that day; no troop-ships landed on Manhattan Beach. Our conventional notions of what "war" means in the 21st Century have effectively blinded us all.

In World War I, armies bludgeoned themselves into oblivion. In World War II, they thought to use trucks. In World War III and beyond, they won't use armies. They will use diabolical psychopathy, and they will strike at their target directly in their own home, "like a thief in the night," armed with perfect knowledge of their chosen victim.

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Old 10-12-2016, 09:50 AM   #22
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So who are the real psychopaths?

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It's fairly easy to produce a delicious-looking graphic like the one in post #19 ... really effective ... but this is also just a throw-back to the past. A great big red (of course) background, an atomic-bomb explosion (of course), a not-so-flattering photo of Mr. Putin, and a really nice blue graphic logo for the television program.

To my view, "World War III" will not be a "corporation war" as were the previous pan-European conflicts. Neither will it be what America has been doing for the past fifteen years in its still-fruitless efforts to build an oil pipeline through Afghanistan to bypass the Russians. ("Oil, lithium, and opium," folks. That's what it has always been about.)

"World War III" will happen in the homes of individuals, who for the past dozen years have carried GPS-enabled phones around in their pocket while talking indiscriminately to their "friends" on open channels as the owners of those channels recorded and analyzed everything. Since people willingly "tagged their friends" on the photos they posted on Facebook, thereby feeding facial-recognition engines, "they even know what you look like." We will realize in hindsight that we engineered our own destruction because we were totally indiscriminate about who had access to these data and where these data were allowed to be. America freely encouraged foreign non-immigrants to flood into the ranks of their IT (purposely displacing American workers) "to save money" and "to evade the 13th Amendment." The technologies needed for "data mining" are free and open.

It never seemed to occur to anyone that there could be a risk in this, or that war could happen within the homeland even as "conventional armies" were either here or somewhere else.

Of course, it should have been obvious from "9/11" just how much warfare had been transformed, when three buildings collapsed neatly into their own footprint in a complete free-fall, and the third was the one that held New York City's supposedly-secret "counter-terrorism command center." No conventional armies marched up Fifth Avenue on that day; no troop-ships landed on Manhattan Beach. Our conventional notions of what "war" means in the 21st Century have effectively blinded us all.

In World War I, armies bludgeoned themselves into oblivion. In World War II, they thought to use trucks. In World War III and beyond, they won't use armies. They will use diabolical psychopathy, and they will strike at their target directly in their own home, "like a thief in the night," armed with perfect knowledge of their chosen victim.
Still, the US still bases itself on conventional warfare and destabilisation of regions - everyone wants to move forward - and again as far as the Russians are concerned (not so much with conventional means) they have already hinted that they won't even bother - bypassing everything and just going full-on nuclear. Whether or not this is what the neo-cons want, who knows but they are clearly the ones playing with everyone's lives and it obviously does not matter to them - yet ironically in all this Putin yet again seems to actually be the voice of reason, go figure huh? Still whatever the outcome I personally think he will be at the right side of history when this is all done.

I live in the states yes, but I am not going to die for some rich fsck playing us like pawns on a chessboard. I'll gladly leave if it comes down to that.

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Old 10-12-2016, 10:51 AM   #23
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Nations start wars because they think they'll win. Hitler invaded Poland because he knew Germany could defeat Poland and he believed that Britain and France would content themselves with protests and sanctions, as they did when Italy invaded Albania. They also start wars that they can afford.

Russia cannot afford a major war: her economy is no bigger than that of Italy. Why didn't Russia just invade the Ukraine? No Western country had a treaty with the Ukraine, so no-one would have declared war. But it would have been too expensive and there would have been too many body bags for even the most nationalistic to stomach.

The USA could afford a major war, but why should they want one? The interventions in Afghanistan and Iraq turned into major disasters, which is why they've not intervened in Syria, much as the Israelis and Saudis would like them to. There's a limit to what you'll do for your allies, especially when you're secretly ashamed of them.
 
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Nations start wars because they think they'll win. Hitler invaded Poland because he knew Germany could defeat Poland and he believed that Britain and France would content themselves with protests and sanctions, as they did when Italy invaded Albania. They also start wars that they can afford.

Russia cannot afford a major war: her economy is no bigger than that of Italy. Why didn't Russia just invade the Ukraine? No Western country had a treaty with the Ukraine, so no-one would have declared war. But it would have been too expensive and there would have been too many body bags for even the most nationalistic to stomach.

The USA could afford a major war, but why should they want one? The interventions in Afghanistan and Iraq turned into major disasters, which is why they've not intervened in Syria, much as the Israelis and Saudis would like them to. There's a limit to what you'll do for your allies, especially when you're secretly ashamed of them.
It is interesting to think that because Russia's economic power is less than other western nations. Remember also that Hitler broke his pact with Stalin because he thought the Russians were no match for them either.

Russia is one big country, so if they have to turn inward for resources they can clearly do it. Sanctions are of no consequence and they are used to 'long winters' - is the west truly prepared to put the Russians to the test?

As far as Syria, the US has been meddling in the background since the start which most likely they instigated in the first place. The Russians called them out on it, and now the west particularly the US is hoping to pass by with bluffs. Well, Russians do not bluff. I just posted a video about the indefinite stay of the Russians in Syria. That should be obvious that even now Assad will not suffer the same fate like others have.

The so-called democratic overthrow of other regimes, Libya comes to mind - Qaddafi did not even have a trial but was just outright executed, democracy? Sure is a weird form of it if you ask me.


The US also seems to start wars that they know they will have the upper hand; initially but end up in long drawn out 'excursions' we see today in Afghanistan and Iraq. The US has been bitten in the ass by it's own mistakes yet continues forward and blasts anyone who calls them out on it.
 
Old 10-12-2016, 11:40 AM   #25
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Religious Zealouts, for one.

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yet ironically in all this Putin yet again seems to actually be the voice of reason, go figure huh? Still whatever the outcome I personally think he will be at the right side of history when this is all done.
I think so too. Russia has been one of the few countries with a sensible position in the ME issue. And it is the ONLY country to actually fight ISIS -- apart from those directly targeted by these terrorists groups, like Syria and Iraq.

BTW, as I've said before I'm quite sure that ISIS is just a puppet of the western governments and Israel. The real concern in the ME for the US gov is Syria, and ISIS is precisely trying to overthrow Assad. Besides, if ISIS was really a "radical Islamic group" then they would have attacked Israel by now (the most obvious target/enemy). And is it a coincidence that Israel and the US are "accidentally" bombing the Syrian army instead of bombing ISIS? I doubt it.

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Old 10-12-2016, 12:11 PM   #27
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Religious Zealouts, for one.
A self-fulfilling prophecy when you have congresspersons and senators who pretty much blindly let Israel have free reign, because 'muh end times iz comin.'

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I think so too. Russia has been one of the few countries with a sensible position in the ME issue. And it is the ONLY country to actually fight ISIS -- apart from those directly targeted by these terrorists groups, like Syria and Iraq.

BTW, as I've said before I'm quite sure that ISIS is just a puppet of the western governments and Israel. The real concern in the ME for the US gov is Syria, and ISIS is precisely trying to overthrow Assad. Besides, if ISIS was really a "radical Islamic group" then they would have attacked Israel by now? (the most obvious target/enemy). And is it a coincidence that Israel and the US are "accidentally" bombing the Syrian army instead of bombing ISIS? I doubt it.
Good point on ISIS. There is a lot of smoke-and-mirrors here. As far as Syria, the bought media of the west needs to just shut up already about Assad. He-is-not-going-anywhere so long as the Russians are there.

Also the dynamics of the ME has changed - i.e. remember of the downing of the Russian jet by the Turks? Russia intentionally then flew into Israeli airspace - what did they do again? Oh right, they did nothing, why is that?

I still wonder what other incentives and or threats the Kremlin leveled against Ankara, after all Erdogan has apologised for the incident. Turkey has realised that just because she is part of NATO , that other members will no come to aid if there is a war with Russia - rightfully so Ankara quickly realised that was a dangerous miscalculation to make.

As far as the fight against ISIS - the Russians have every right to be there. Legally under international law, they were requested by the Syrian government. Period. Yet you still also see meddling by the US - were they ever called upon? Who the hell called them? Because I sure would like to know.

The more efforts I see to vilify Russia by the west: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37628774 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37616333 - the more I wonder. Nevermind that also these were former colonial powers. 'Don't look at what we did in the past , forget all that, its the big bad Russians'

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Also the dynamics of the ME has changed - i.e. remember of the downing of the Russian jet by the Turks? Russia intentionally then flew into Israeli airspace - what did they do again? Oh right, they did nothing, why is that?

I still wonder what other incentives and or threats the Kremlin leveled against Ankara, after all Erdogan has apologised for the incident.
I remember having read somewhere (can't remember where) that the change in Ankara's position might have been due to an oil duct (or gas duct?) the Russians are planning to build from Russia to Turkey (I don't know the details, but I think the duct will cross Turkey). This might be a strong reason behind Ankara's faction change.
 
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It is most unfortunate, yet also undeniable, that the United States (my country ...) has been duplicitous with regards to war. I have no doubt that what Mr. Putin is saying is true, but I also well know that what the US Government is saying to its own people is untrue.

If you watched the news today, you'd think that the country was not at war. Of course, it never declared that war (because, if it did, the House of Representatives would have had to re-approve funding for it every two years). But it has been continuously fighting in Afghanistan and its surrounds ... for "opium, lithium, and a direct oil pipeline to the Caspian Sea."

Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower was entirely on-the-mark when he warned of "the military industrial complex." (Little did he know that the "fine, well-equipped hospitals" that he referred to in his departing address to the nation would one day become a thing that no American could afford to go into, nor that so many of them would be closed as "unprofitable.")

"Ike" lived in a time when people could get a University education for less than $350,000.00 and when they could get medical care. The Glass-Steagall Act (passed in response to the Great Depression) meant that "banks had to be banks," and there were no loan-sharks charging 2,500% interest. (It was called "usury," and it was against the law.) Corporations were not citizens, and they could not participate in political campaigns. And so on.

These things are direct consequences of the Military Industrial Complex that "Ike" warned about, a term that even entered freely in Mr. Putin's conversation. And, most damningly, it is now "utterly in secret." There is no public review by the citizens nor is there any opportunity for the same. You're just supposed to believe that somehow all is well.

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Perhaps the single most important thing that could be done to counter this would not happen on any field of battle, but in the international banking system: to remove the United States Dollar from the "basket of currencies," and to cease to "peg" any foreign currency to the Dollar. The United States literally "prints out of thin air" multiple millions of dollars every minute of every day, and this is what finances its unceasing global efforts (and allows it to ignore its own lands). If international currency traders set the value of the US Dollar in the same way that it sets the value of the Mongolian tugrik, the United States would very soon be forced to turn inward upon itself, and to develop its once-prodigious internal economic capacity, because "the one place where the Dollar's worth a Dollar is at home."

The world economy does not "need" the United States, as the United States may wish to insist that it does. Fact is, the US is only 500,000 square miles larger than Brazil. It isn't the world's biggest economy. It is an unpredictable and dishonest "nuclear wild-card," paying for its exploits because its money is as good as yours. America doesn't print money to stabilize the world's currencies: it prints it to spend it, and it mostly spends it on world war.

This one move would have dramatic long-term impact on world peace, because the single most potent threat to world peace today is not Russia. It is the United States. (My country ...)

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It is most unfortunate, yet also undeniable, that the United States (my country ...) has been duplicitous with regards to war. I have no doubt that what Mr. Putin is saying is true, but I also well know that what the US Government is saying to its own people is untrue.

If you watched the news today, you'd think that the country was not at war. Of course, it never declared that war (because, if it did, the House of Representatives would have had to re-approve funding for it every two years). But it has been continuously fighting in Afghanistan and its surrounds ... for "opium, lithium, and a direct oil pipeline to the Caspian Sea."

Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower was entirely on-the-mark when he warned of "the military industrial complex." (Little did he know that the "fine, well-equipped hospitals" that he referred to in his departing address to the nation would one day become a thing that no American could afford to go into, nor that so many of them would be closed as "unprofitable.")

"Ike" lived in a time when people could get a University education for less than $350,000.00 and when they could get medical care. The Glass-Steagall Act (passed in response to the Great Depression) meant that "banks had to be banks," and there were no loan-sharks charging 2,500% interest. (It was called "usury," and it was against the law.) Corporations were not citizens, and they could not participate in political campaigns. And so on.

These things are direct consequences of the Military Industrial Complex that "Ike" warned about, a term that even entered freely in Mr. Putin's conversation. And, most damningly, it is now "utterly in secret." There is no public review by the citizens nor is there any opportunity for the same. You're just supposed to believe that somehow all is well.
This is why peace is not in some people's interest. The big boom after WWII is what spurred the US - however instead of trying to find other ways of maintaining this growth - the US thought that because of the success of WWII they are the toughest. Nevermind again, that without the Allies the US wouldn't have done much of anything, but thats another story.

As far as the 9/11 thing, quite honestly the US has never had the 'pleasure' of a real war on it's own lands. The US only sees things like wars they perpetuate. I often wonder how the US would cope if it had suffered what Europe has. I am pretty sure the populace would have a very different idea about war, and not just what they saw in the 1970s of just dozens of servicemen, but millions upon millions.

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Perhaps the single most important thing that could be done to counter this would not happen on any field of battle, but in the international banking system: to remove the United States Dollar from the "basket of currencies," and to cease to "peg" any foreign currency to the Dollar. The United States literally "prints out of thin air" multiple millions of dollars every minute of every day, and this is what finances its unceasing global efforts (and allows it to ignore its own lands). If international currency traders set the value of the US Dollar in the same way that it sets the value of the Mongolian tugrik, the United States would very soon be forced to turn inward upon itself, and to develop its once-prodigious internal economic capacity, because "the one place where the Dollar's worth a Dollar is at home."
What the US does not realise by trying to further sanction Russia, she will just rely more on her own resources - and bypass sanctions i.e by economically joining with former Soviet states in Central Asia, and China.

I still find it funny that anyone thinks they can subdue the Russians anyways. With their land-mass they have all the resources they need. Oh, and about the sanctions - https://www.ft.com/content/3af681ee-...6-00144feab7de http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/...sanctions.html -- and rightfully so. The sanctions are only the US and UK's idea mostly.

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The world economy does not "need" the United States, as the United States may wish to insist that it does. Fact is, the US is only 500,000 square miles larger than Brazil. It isn't the world's biggest economy. It is an unpredictable and dishonest "nuclear wild-card," paying for its exploits because its money is as good as yours. America doesn't print money to stabilize the world's currencies: it prints it to spend it, and it mostly spends it on world war.
The world is seeing past all the subterfuge by the US. Again, the Dollar will soon go by the way-side, who knows what will be in it's place, but it sure as hell won't be the British Pound. Also the US dollar is all but worthless. Again, if any other economic power (China, Russia, Europe) were to call the US' bluff and ask what they are basing the value of the Dollar, the jig-is-up. Also, I still remember even the UK after the `08 financial episode, the UK econome rebounded rather quickly than others.... All of Europe asked the UK to demonstrate how it was so, but were brushed off.

Also at this point the US is the big spoiled brat here, the US pointing finger at others but threatens to break all the toys if questioned.

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This one move would have dramatic long-term impact on world peace, because the single most potent threat to world peace today is not Russia. It is the United States. (My country ...)
So my family and I fled from the evils of communism, and not once did we think that the one country we came to; could be just as sinister and cynical against it's own populace and the entire world. Guess that was our own fault for being so naive.

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