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Old 03-23-2016, 01:47 PM   #1
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Experts Predict a Coming Third World War / Who's guilty?


Hello,

Today, it is very sad, but experts predict a Third World War.
You may read many of such articles, today and in the last months.
here an interesting one:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...ophic-scenario
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i7jr9g-UQQ
http://www.valuewalk.com/2015/10/wor...-seconds-away/

"Hitler brought bread and jobs in Germany" (reportage),
a new comfortable society in Germany was born, the economy was getting better, VW was born, many new technologies, coca-cola,.... but... by mass manipulation, he brought devil, pain and murdering of a population.
People did not realize, were weak and followed the idea of war,... and it resulted in slaughter of many populations.

Today the situation is much different. We are in an era of high technology and the economy is going worst and worst.
People are more educated, better informed, but ... they are all witness of the last recent sad events.
The population in EU is fearing many issues, unemployment is rising, jobs are going to other countries.
Many companies are investing in Asia, including China.

The economy is getting worst and worst in Europe. Terror is rising in EU. The population cannot do anything without support of EU politics.

Who's guilty?
- Well, to make anyone guilty, would be a begin of war, or more violences,...

People can only hope that politics in EU will do anything.
Usually they talk a lot, and nothing happen.

Well, let's hope that something will go better in EU.
There are many solutions to save EU in a positive maneer with bringing back the economy. Companies in EU should be supported by EU. Products from China should be much less imported, since they are produced without respecting pollution regulations,... and so on.

If you would like, you may leave your comments and hopes.
 
Old 03-23-2016, 02:23 PM   #2
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"Experts."
 
Old 03-23-2016, 02:32 PM   #3
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While World-wide War hasn't happened in about seventy years, only two wars so far have been labeled "World" wars.

Instead, what we have today ... have especially had since those two "World" wars ended ... is continuous war (usually, un-declared), and war for corporate profit. Nothing commands the "blood and treasure" of a country more effectively than "War, Incorporated" does.

If anything good can come from the Internet and from the "World"-wide communication that it brings, it should be to empower ordinary citizens to resist the ever-present drumbeats of War. Europe, for example, may have accomplished a lot by trying to link its various national economies together into even an informal union ... but, having done so, the various nations must somehow "figure it out and keep it working." I suspect that the designers of the EU allowed a few too many countries, and a few too many very different countries, to enter when they asked to do so, thereby creating "strange bedfellows." But, "strange bedfellows" have successfully co-existed before and they can do so again.

"Experts" or no, the ordinary people of the various countries must firmly push-back against calls to War. It is the most-destructive thing imaginable, and it will be far more destructive when ... not if ... it breaks out again. The people must be the ones to keep that awful jinii in its bottle.

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Old 03-23-2016, 02:47 PM   #4
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Greed and money run the world. You want to stop imports you are going to have to tax the hell out of everything imported just to get their prices high enough so people will buy local. This is the problem today. People in power, not the government mind you but the once who control the money, do not want anything to change. Banks control everyone's life and once we are in a paperless transaction you will see it get worse. Banks are already paperless transactions between themselves. We are next and plastic will be king and everyone will use it, which we do today. Credit is given without regards as to how it will be paid back. This is how the banks own you.
 
Old 03-25-2016, 03:30 AM   #5
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I really don't see the coming of a World War perhaps ever again. Especially as sundialsvcs has pointed out most modern wars are corporate wars fought over markets and resources and that is much more manageable when limited to one or two fronts. If this weren't so I don't imagine Putin would have pulled out of Syria. The only risky part that threatens escalating war that can evolve into Worldwide Conflict occurs when the money issues get covered up with Race and/or Religion. People will do crazy things for Religion that are unthinkable when money is the recognized motivation. Many leaders recall that even WWI resulted in entire towns just disappearing due to the "best and brightest" being discarded like garbage in such huge numbers, effectively destroying not only the work force but innovation and consumerism.

I don't think the general public is better educated, better informed, other than in the speed and distance at which communication is common, which is a bit scary but not limited to just the area/causes of warfare. It seems there are almost always teenage boys who can get caught up in "the beat of the drum' and be quite willing to travel to distant lands, meet exoctic people.... andkill them. The oceans are not the barriers they once were. Surprise attacks, a la Pearl Harbor, are less likely given the increases in Technology eliminating even the boldest and sneakiest of tactics. Wars fought for "religious values" are far more likely to flare up into bigger wars and that is truly scary (they can justify any sort of attack on non-believers/infidels but communication , even like this in the General section tends to counter the Big Risks. Let us hope it stays that way but the rise of the (warlike) right wing almost always follows major losses and setbacks in the economy and people start imagining "trickle down" ultimately reaches them. What a coup of the mind that was.
 
Old 03-29-2016, 03:10 PM   #6
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US and NATO maybe?



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Old 03-31-2016, 10:22 PM   #7
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Old 04-01-2016, 02:09 AM   #8
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"Experts."
HEY! That was my response. But I would lose the smiley.
 
Old 04-01-2016, 12:57 PM   #9
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Humanity is addicted to " war " and many other things that earn us the label " dysfunction species "; war is therefor quite inevitable!!
 
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War is therefor quite inevitable!!
I am sorry but cannot but vehemently reject this statement. If it is possible to delay a war by no matter which means, by similar means and primarily by applying the state of mind which actuates the machinery that avoids wars, war can be avoided.

What annoys me is that, despite all the evidence which exist, people appear to prefer avoiding one reality for the sake of myth, like “war is inevitable”. To me, it appears to be inevitable that in no matter which context under no matter which conditions in any environment and in absence of all pressure, someone will come up with a statement like “war is inevitable”. That is the only sure thing.
 
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I am sorry but cannot but vehemently reject this statement. If it is possible to delay a war by no matter which means, by similar means and primarily by applying the state of mind which actuates the machinery that avoids wars, war can be avoided.

What annoys me is that, despite all the evidence which exist, people appear to prefer avoiding one reality for the sake of myth, like “war is inevitable”. To me, it appears to be inevitable that in no matter which context under no matter which conditions in any environment and in absence of all pressure, someone will come up with a statement like “war is inevitable”. That is the only sure thing.
The things that people do will happen!! People have sex; people break the law; people scam other people; people lie; People argue; people wage wars!! Human behavior is what it is; wishing it was not so is not going to make it go away!!
 
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The things that people do will happen!! People have sex; people break the law; people scam other people; people lie; People argue; people wage wars!! Human behavior is what it is; wishing it was not so is not going to make it go away!!
So, you have no name, no personality, no desires and no free will whatsoever. Pity. Keep at a distance, please, while I enjoy my life with the others.

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Old 04-02-2016, 01:12 PM   #13
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Humanity is made up of all kinds of people that are " into their own thing "!! Some people have morals; some do not!! Some people have religion; some do not!! Some people are very dangerous; most are not!!
I live in New York City which some people consider the devil's playground!! Here corruption, drugs, crime, and sleaze are everywhere; being aware of them is good to know so that I can protect myself!! As a libertarian I believe that everyone is entitled to their own way of life as long as it does not harm any others!! It would be nice if some " supreme being " banished all war " and everything else bad that people engaged in; but I do not expect that to happen anytime soon!!

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Old 04-02-2016, 09:43 PM   #14
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Ping cousinlucky and Michael Uplawski - It's easy to forget or dismiss timeframes when discussing human behaviour. It is obvious that the moment at which the first bomb bays opened up at Pearl Harbor and the Fire! button was thumbed that at least the USA's entry into WWII was inevitable. I'm not at all sure why the moment of pulling the trigger on Archduke Ferdinand made WWI inevitable and working backwards to discover when war was not inevitable is difficult to say the least. It seems that few peoples and their governments were ever more inclined to prevent war than post WWI Great Britain but it is obvious that appeasement only encouraged Hitler's Germany. So often the "resolution" of a previous war sets the stage for the next one as did the punitive Versailles Treaty. How could France not see that such destruction and humiliation did make a follow-up war inevitable, at the very least at some point without reversal of the punishment?

It seems to me that aside from mere human greed, more than enough in the ancient world, the number one cause of actual war, in which thousands if not millions of otherwise peaceable workers must be motivated to leave their comfortable lives, submit to authority, to fight and die, is economics. it "takes two to tango" and if both sides are comfortable enough to be complacent at some point it is inevitable that war is not possible. Most people won't risk violence if they feel basically secure for the foreseeable future.

Cheap universally available power would go a long way to preventing even the possibility of war but then there are more basic resources, like potable water. I fully expect that in the not too distant future there will be war over water unless some major technological breakthrough occurs making clean water ubiquitous.

The biggest problem is that there are people whose greed is actually insatiable. They not only want everything and then more but they need to see others fail. I find this unfathomable but I have seen it does exist in some people. This and other genetically transferred qualities from the legacy of millions of years of years of competitive struggle shapes us and it will be a very long time before those "qualities" can be outgrown or weeded out.
 
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Nagorno-Karabakh fighting: Azerbaijan 'calls truce'

"Azerbaijan has announced a "unilateral ceasefire" in fighting with Armenian forces over the disputed Nagorno-Karabakh region."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35953916

Another flashpoint which can spill over though. Armenia backed by Iran and Russia while Azeribaijan is backed by Turkey. Since Turkey downed that Russian fighter jet a few months back, I think it would be hard for Russia to restrain itself if it goes beyond the proxy war that it is now since ironically Russia is calling for calm on both sides. This could be nothing, but could also be another factor.
 
  


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