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Old 10-09-2017, 06:02 AM   #61
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Putting Area 51 to one side...

How about "Britain's Roswell", where two different Military Police claimed to have walked right up to a UFO, that had ether landed or was hovering just above the ground. One of which even claimed to have touched the side of the UFO.

Well I'm sorry, but why are not one but two MP's, going to claim that, if it was not true? Sorry, but it does not make any sense to me, as to why they would claim such a thing, if it was not true.

Also, bear in mind there where also others that supported what those two MP's said.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendle...orest_incident
 
Old 10-09-2017, 06:08 AM   #62
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Some fairies, demons and elves were braiding bigfoots hair whilst riding the loch ness across the lagoon... I saw trees.
 
Old 10-09-2017, 06:20 AM   #63
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Some fairies, demons and elves were braiding bigfoots hair whilst riding the loch ness across the lagoon... I saw trees.
I suggest you start new thread, if you want to talk about fairies, demons, elves or bigfoot. This nothing to do with the current discussion. Please add something of value, rather than posting rubbish like that.
 
Old 10-09-2017, 07:49 AM   #64
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You saying I didn't see* trees?
 
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Alien contact may someday become a daily occurrence witnessed by all but until that: https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...ml#post5760843
 
Old 10-09-2017, 07:04 PM   #66
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Ok . I see we left folding space alone. Let alone using freezing cold with other influences to make Quantam Propulsion gear. Something others could be way ahead of us on using practically.

I aint the best debater on this issue being a GED educated scooter tramp while everyone else has spent more time than me sitting in a class room. Being brain washed while being educated.

So call bull pucky at the top of your lungs. I don't mind. After all. I ride motorcycles outside in Wild West desert. Instead of sitting inside and poo pooing online what is real. And what is not.

Yeah. I've seen some strange stuff while riding motorcycle. Your hearing is way way better than in a cage/car.
 
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Sorry jsbjsb001 - but one thing you apparently didn't consider that just might motivate someone so old and ill besides the need to get something off his chest to some nobody is money to pay his medical bills. Also How many times do I have to point out that I'd love to be convinced but I'm not about to put on blinders or rose colored glasses? I'm telling you I can see "the Emperor is naked" and I have evidence that shows that a highly likely conclusion but apparently any manner of critique bothers your comfort zone. In short, it seems you want to believe, so you do, evidence to the contrary notwithstanding.

Example - You link to the wikipedia article for Lazar starts out noting that the man has claimed, not that he attended Cal Tech and MIT but that he holds degrees from each respected institution. Now that looks really bad on two accounts. First it seems to be a lie as those outfits keep good records which should make anyone wary that this man thinks nothing of making fraudulent claims. What's possibly worse is that he made such claims that are so easily checked and disproven, yet he chose to make them anyway. That should lead one to conclude that he is either delusional or has an extremely low opinion of audience.

On the flip side and probably because we hold different standards of proof, you may see you and I in conflict and conclude that I have a low opinion of your mental faculties when the opposite is true. The con man believes he can convince many that black is white and up is down because people are stupid when they want something bad enough. I. OTOH, have some confidence that you, and other ufologists, are smart enough and healthy enough that reason over time will finally tip the scales in your brain and you won't be led by the nose by anyone.

Regarding my standards, I am not saying that if you "can't show us the the proof, the alien themselves, etc" there can be no proof to it. I'm saying it casts serious doubt until such evidence is available. When one stacks up doubt after doubt, especially when the claim itself is extraordinairy claiming conditions, items, or events that are extremely unlikely it is prudent to be doubtful. Consider a quote from one of the wikis you linked where an astrophysicist, iirc, comments (paraphrased) "After all these years is Roswell the best "evidence" ufologists have?" The conundrum of that considering the increase in both interest and ability to record data in itself should cause considerable doubt.

Please for a moment, if you are old enough to have lived it, remember just how different the world was in the 50s. If you weren't alive yet then at the very least consider that it was so rare in the 50s to indulge in what was considered long distance phone calls (any call outside a zone measured in tens of miles) that they were planned in advance and some actually dressed up for them as if anyone on the other end could see them just because it was such a rare and special event. Many still did not have a phone. Now they fit in your shirt pocket, national calls are part of the cost and global contact is cheap and common, and they play music, take pictures and video and are owned often by children and remote tribes people. Cars were lucky to last 50K miles and got 10mpg but many now get 30mpg and last 300K miles. Does it make any sense that with such leaps in communication and availability of powerful technology combined with a massive increase in awareness and interest, that despite so many claims (I know of nobody claiming alien abduction prior to the mid 1900s) the most solid is Roswell that is swarming with hoax, attention seekers, and people at the very least claiming inside knowledge when they weren't even there? Why if one really believes it was true would that someone resort to phoney sealed documents only available after the original and actual witness was dead and no longer around to call "Foul!"? The simplest answer is delusion and/or money, not FTL travel and advanced civilizations keeping an eye on cockroaches stuck far from their home.

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Old 10-10-2017, 01:46 AM   #68
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Ok . I see we left folding space alone. Let alone using freezing cold with other influences to make Quantam Propulsion gear. Something others could be way ahead of us on using practically.

I aint the best debater on this issue being a GED educated scooter tramp while everyone else has spent more time than me sitting in a class room. Being brain washed while being educated.

So call bull pucky at the top of your lungs. I don't mind. After all. I ride motorcycles outside in Wild West desert. Instead of sitting inside and poo pooing online what is real. And what is not.

Yeah. I've seen some strange stuff while riding motorcycle. Your hearing is way way better than in a cage/car.
OK challenge accepted. First, FWIW, I have lived in big cities as well as 10 miles outside a town of population 180. There were years when my only vehicle was a motorcycle and i often rode with no reason other than the joy of traveling both alone and with buddies, so we aren't all that different, except in formal education. Despite that education I am fully aware that "educated fools" exist in large numbers, people that got through by memorizing and regurgitating while never learning critical thought, with much of even what they memorized evaporating within just a few years of "life in the real world".

Folding SpaceTime is a distinct possibility and very likely the one true hope that Homo Sapiens can and may ever travel beyond our solar system neighborhood. However it is mathematical speculation. So far all we know is that neither Einsteins Theory of General Relativity nor Quantum Mechanics rules it out yet. It appears, though that if it can be done at all it requires energies on the scale of the lifetime of stars. If every atom and particle on Earth were converted into energy, it would not likely be enough. What manner of vehicle do you suppose could contain and control such energy? How long do you imagine any civilization at our level would take to consider such vehicles and energies cheap and commonplace?

Consider that civilizations are generally quite balanced. It is uncommon that Hunter-Gatherers build skyscrapers, planes, trains and automobiles. If a civilization has commercial flight, they likely also have instant communication over many thousands of miles and generate power to light the night over many square miles and large centers of population. So what manner of civilization controlling such power for folding SpaceTimer for routine travel has commensurate advances in all other areas? I contend that is absolutely impossible to imagine. It's just too far away.

I saw a comedy routine in which the premise for a bit was how nobody, even the most forward thinking dreamers like Gene Rodenberry, who imagined antimatter FTL and a civilization without prejudice or poverty, with education and medical benefits for all, didn't see the dawn of The Internet. His bit starts with Captain Kirk saying "Set a course for Riza at Warp 5 and engage" and Spock replying "Googling that now, Sir". Star Trek was created in 1966 and the beginnings of widespread Internet less than 25 years later and became involved in every aspect of life within 40 years, yet we don't even have Space Travel devices routinely as powerful as the Saturn 5 nearly 60 years later and we have yet to go back to the Moon in manned vehicles. In fact, both of us may be dead before we do go back. Why? because Space Travel is really hard and really expensive and the benefits of it are commonly diffuse and unrecognized by anyone except scientists. Only in the past 5 years have satellites become Big Business even remotely commonly handled by private companies and the difficulty and expense of even traveling to our Moon is orders of magnitude more difficult and more expensive. Traveling to Mars is orders of magnitude greater than that. Traveling to the Stars is many orders of magnitude greater than that, regardless of method and IF, BIG IF, any method exists at all.

It is also extremely difficult to accept that we can see a place we may never be able to go, but it is indeed a distinct possibility.

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Old 10-10-2017, 05:39 AM   #69
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Traveling for eons beyond us (with possible realities or pipedreams (time may "tell")) is easy, moving city in space going all directions and unknown tracks of time... 5,000 years back we can cloudly see but forward we make till we break.

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Old 10-10-2017, 05:46 AM   #70
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enorbet, First off I seriously doubt that you would be debating this with me, if you had a low opinion of my mental faculties, so no, no need to worry there. And I should say for the record I do not hold any concerns about your mental faculties ether, I would be concerned about that, if you did just agree with anything people posted.

While I can understand where your coming from and I do understand that, as they are valid points, but, two different people claiming similar things, one of them in 1989 (Robert Scott Lazar) and another person in 2013; well I'm sorry but the latest person is going to wait 20+ years to make up such a story?

I'm sorry but that in itself does not make a lot of sense to me.

Another thing is that let's say the latest person (the old guy in 2013) did work for the CIA (and went to Area 51 and saw aliens), do you really think he's going to use his real name, that he was given at berth? Do you really think the CIA of all people are going to leave "evidence" pointing to them (and/or the "secret")?

I think the answers would be no and no, they would not.

I would also say that weather it's the CIA, NSA, Mi5, Mi6, ASIO, ASIS, etc, they would recruit from other government agency's as well as the Military, rather than plucking someone off the street, so that would fit in what he was saying there (about how he came to work for the CIA).

I also think it's very un-likely that one would go to the trouble of making up seeing such things, just to pay their medical bills.

I've also done some further research and it seems that there may well be truth to a government cover-up of Robert Scott Lazar's education records, which the government would do, if indeed he did work at Area 51;

http://www.openminds.tv/physicist-cl...s-alamos/34156

Another interesting video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0htwvrIUqek
 
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Apart from the one I came to Earth in? Thousands of them.
 
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... people claiming similar things, ... a story? ...
enough said!


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some don't see color, others heat signatures but no aliens that we know of
 
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Well. There is one thing to be thankful for. I hope.

If ufo's had human emotions like we do. We'd be in world of Ka Ka. Because I doubt we could do anything about a pssed off alien race.

This hunt and peck and cattle mutilations and area 51's and groom lake and the quick advance of tech compared to ages past sure makes one wonder.

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I saw an 'alien abduction' movie (and recorded it, onto my PC) and just done some research about it and found some very, very interesting video.

The movie was this one: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0142074/

Now the interesting part about this is that, it seems to be based on the video in the link below. Now this video certainly does appear to be the kind of video for that era of technology (1988). The people in it, do not appear to be actor's to me and if they are, I would not even call them B-grade actor's, as that would be an insult to even the B-grade actor, IMHO.

Maybe, keep your lights on for this one, I'm not going to lie, if it is a fake, 10 out of 10, as it looks quite real to me;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjGZ4R4xabE
 
  


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