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Old 08-26-2016, 12:31 PM   #1
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EFF Savages Microsoft's Disregard of Privacy and User Autonomy in Windows 10


Wow. Just wow.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/0...vacy-deep-dive
 
Old 08-26-2016, 02:49 PM   #2
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I can already hear RMS ranting about it in his speeches! Or maybe he already have...
It's all the better for GNU/Linux imho and it's almost funny what M$ does "to the users", instead of "for the users".
Not even sure if you're still considered a "user" if you use MS Windows 10 - maybe just "a person who likes to be exploited".
 
Old 08-26-2016, 03:03 PM   #3
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I would hope there is something that could be done about it, but, most likely, nothing will happen until people start boycotting ms-windows. Likely? Nah.
A lawyer I know says for many years Apple has been doing the same thing to their customers and charging them a premium for the "privilege."

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Old 08-26-2016, 04:55 PM   #4
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Well, I can easily see government regulation happening soon.

At this point in time, computers have become too embedded in our lives ... and, in our (inter-)national security, to allow "corporate prerogatives and EULAs" to continue to reign un-checked. Just as we eventually created a "Uniform Commercial Code" of regulations to define the particulars of ordinary commerce, and a "Department of Commerce" (and a "Federal Communications Commission") in the USA to enforce these and other statutes, it is easy to foresee that the same things will start happening to the computer software industry.

And, although the present members of this industry will "scream and howl in protest," in doing so they really only deceive themselves. Every professional industry (and, activity of direct impact to the public) is highly regulated. Professionals who operate in those industries ... even something as utterly mundane as "low-voltage wiring contractors" and "landscape architects" ... must obtain and maintain licenses to practice their trades.

Companies like Apple and Microsoft and Google ... and thousands of others ... will soon find that their activities are subject to well-defined laws (e.g. "wiretapping"), and policed by enforcement agencies with truly draconian powers.

"Yes, it's coming, folks." Playtime's nearly over. History is repeating itself, and there's nothing you can (or should) do about it.

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Old 08-26-2016, 05:59 PM   #5
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Not even sure if you're still considered a "user" if you use MS Windows 10
I think in the terms for using windows you are legally a subscriber.
 
Old 08-29-2016, 03:10 PM   #6
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If a person knows beforehand that windows 10 is like this and STILL continues to use it, well it serves them right for using windows 10.

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Old 08-29-2016, 05:14 PM   #7
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I think in the terms for using windows you are legally a subscriber.
"Legally," you are only "a subscriber" if you consciously(!) "subscribe."

"The terms of using" ... i.e. "the EULA" ... are not(!), in fact, "a legal proxy for this action," since the one-and-only conscious action that you actually committed was "to click the one-and-only(!) button" that would allow you to "proceed."
  • "Said button did not confront you with 'a choice.'"
  • Neither did it, in any way whatsoever, inform you that, by virtue of clicking the one-and-only button that presented itself to you, you were exercising one of "more-than-one" reasonable choice.
  • Neither did it actually inform you what your "other choices" were ...
  • Neither did it realistically make any such "other choice" credible.

"'The thing that I bought' ... and here I have the receipt to prove it ... "is 'a computer.'" A computer, of course, is a physical thing that weighs so-many pounds. I dutifully carried those pounds to my car ... drove home ... and plugged them in.

At no point did I consciously buy "Windows." That is to say, "I never did separately consent(!) to it." Neither did I, at that moment in time, have any alternative choice that I might have instead "chosen, of my own free will."

"The pounds that I carried to my car," then, technically must have consisted of "both pounds and software," but I only was confronted with ... and, therefore, I only made ... one(!) "conscious purchase decision." I bought: "a computer, weighing so-many pounds."

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Old 09-12-2016, 08:48 PM   #8
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Windows 10 is spyware! Face the facts.
 
Old 09-12-2016, 11:32 PM   #9
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Yeah, I read stories how our government is still using very, dated old technology from the 60's and earlier than that. Either they are too cheap to buy new computers or the folks they employed are not tech savvy to use anything better or both.

http://www.techinsider.io/government...anguage-code-1

I bet if I went to one of their offices and look in the back or the side of their machines it would say Etch-a-Sketch.

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Old 09-13-2016, 01:29 AM   #10
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Yeah, I read stories how our government is still using very, dated old technology from the 60's and earlier than that. Either they are too cheap to buy new computers or the folks they employed are not tech savvy to use anything better or both.
yeah, and linux is based on unix which is from the 60s as well.

we should all stop being cheap and buy win10 computers!
 
Old 09-13-2016, 03:15 PM   #11
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yeah, and linux is based on unix which is from the 60s as well.

we should all stop being cheap and buy win10 computers!
They can buy new systems and put linux, any of the BSDs or oracle sun enterprise. If they're not tech savvy to do this, I'll do it for them.
 
Old 09-13-2016, 06:59 PM   #12
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Well, I can easily see government regulation happening soon.
I can't. The folks who would be the regulators--the policy people, not the technical people--are as ignorant of this stuff as the average Windows user.
 
Old 09-13-2016, 08:13 PM   #13
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I can't. The folks who would be the regulators--the policy people, not the technical people--are as ignorant of this stuff as the average Windows user.
agreed. They're still having issues believing that you can't put secure "golden keys" / backdoors in encryption which is effectively a open and shut issue.
I do not expect them understand the difference between ok telemetry and not ok telemetry or importance of user choice.
 
Old 09-13-2016, 08:44 PM   #14
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I think it was the " curio firewall " that enabled me to see and to block all of the " phone home to microsoft " signals leaving my windows XP os!! Microsoft did not like that so they bought the company and installed holes in it that they could use!! That is what made me go to linux even though I was, and still am, a computer illiterate!! Many of my elderly friends have computers but they refuse to connect to the internet because of all the scams, malware, etc. Human beings are habitual and will stick with windows because that is the only thing that they heard of. Many years ago my son let me borrow his BMW and I had no idea how foreign cars handle so much better than U.S.A. made cars!! One lives and learns!! I feel sorry for anyone still using windows on the internet; but I have long ago given up telling anyone that they are better off using linux because I would just be wasting my breath!! When people have convinced themselves to abandon drugs they will give them up; and its the same with windows users!!

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Old 09-13-2016, 08:48 PM   #15
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Windows 10 is spyware! Face the facts.
Even international governments don't trust windows 10 for the main reason alone. Then again, the USA can spy on international governments whether they use windows 10 or not. They have other methods.

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