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Old 12-28-2020, 10:19 AM   #1
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Question Dr Anthony Fauci receiving what appears to be a vaccine


https://youtu.be/aEx2g5G57KE
 
Old 12-28-2020, 12:36 PM   #2
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Why shouldn't he? He believes in vaccines. It's a pity so many people don't.
 
Old 12-28-2020, 12:44 PM   #3
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The point was to try to convince the anti-vaxxers that they should get it. Or at least the people who are undecided. Religious anti-vaxxers will never be convinced, but the more vaccinations, the less chance of continued outbreaks.
 
Old 12-28-2020, 12:51 PM   #4
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That is a correct. As a practicing physician he would be in the first phase for a getting a vaccination.

He received the Moderna vaccine and as posted the video was an attempt to convince people that it is safe.
 
Old 12-28-2020, 06:22 PM   #5
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Dr Anthony Fauci receiving what appears to be a vaccine

"what appears" to be a vaccine. What, he's not good enough for Bill's mind control serum???

Haha.

This man is one of the world's leading immunologists. Perhaps he deserves a little more respect. And perhaps you should stop listening to bulldust from Facebook.

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Old 12-28-2020, 11:27 PM   #6
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...but the more vaccinations, the less chance of continued outbreaks.
Except that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may not prevent transmission. Which means that unless we maintain social distancing and mask wearing after being vaccinated the rate of transmission may accelerate (because infected spreaders will be asymptomatic and so be unlikely to be tested) and people who can't be vaccinated will be at higher risk than now.

Until a vaccine that prevents transmission becomes available we won't be heading towards herd immunity no matter how many people receive the vaccines.
 
Old 12-28-2020, 11:45 PM   #7
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Don't prevent transmission? How is the virus transmitted if the person isn't infected? Certainly the current precautions need to be in place until after the second vaccination, without a doubt. And since it's difficult, if not impossible to tell if someone has been vaccinated, those who have been should practice the same precautions. Herd immunity is a nebulous term which shouldn't be used. Those who refuse vaccination will continue to be a problem with those who also refuse it. Darwin's theory will take care of them eventually.
 
Old 12-29-2020, 12:31 AM   #8
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Don't prevent transmission? How is the virus transmitted if the person isn't infected?...
Vaccines don't prevent the introduction of a virus or bacterium into a vaccinated individual; that is, they don't prevent infection. The Pfizer vaccine seems to prevent the infected individual developing the disease but it might not (Pfizer admits this - full testing hasn't been completed yet) prevent the viral load in the infected person reaching the level where that individual further transmits the virus.

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...Certainly the current precautions need to be in place until after the second vaccination, without a doubt. And since it's difficult, if not impossible to tell if someone has been vaccinated, those who have been should practice the same precautions...
The problem may well be that vaccinated individuals can still come into contact with the virus and then pass it on. So yes, those precautions should continue even after the second vaccination until either the Pfizer (and Moderna) vaccine is shown to prevent transmission or another vaccine which does is available and in widespread use.

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...Herd immunity is a nebulous term which shouldn't be used...
"Herd immunity" just means that there are enough individuals in the population who do not pass on their infections that unvaccinated individuals have a small probability of being infected. This may need well over 90% of the population receiving a suitable vaccine.

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...Those who refuse vaccination will continue to be a problem with those who also refuse it. Darwin's theory will take care of them eventually.
I'm quite happy for Darwin to sort out those who refuse vaccination for no good reason. But there will be people who won't be able to receive a vaccine for medical reasons.
 
Old 12-29-2020, 06:32 AM   #9
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The problem here appears to be that covid can be spread by asymptomatic individuals. I don't know of any other viral disease which spreads like that. In flu for instance, if you are infected, you develop symptoms. So we can be sure that vaccinated individuals (who don't develop any symptoms when they come into contact with the disease) don't have it and can't spread it.

With covid, we can't yet be sure. We know that the three leading vaccines prevent the development of symptoms, but it is just possible that these people have the disease asymptomatically. It's not very likely because, to be infectious, you need to have viral multiplication going on inside you, and a vaccine should prevent that. But it will take a little longer to be sure.
 
Old 12-29-2020, 08:45 AM   #10
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Vaccines don't prevent the introduction of a virus or bacterium into a vaccinated individual; that is, they don't prevent infection.
This is how it was presented to me, too.
However, I don't see this as an argument to avoid vaccination.
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The Pfizer vaccine seems to prevent the infected individual developing the disease but it might not (Pfizer admits this - full testing hasn't been completed yet) prevent the viral load in the infected person reaching the level where that individual further transmits the virus.
This is an important question, I'd like to see more material about it.
All I found were short, US American articles that, more or less, use this exact sentence.

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Herd immunity is a nebulous term which shouldn't be used.
I agree. Once again, it tries to simplify a more complex problem. It's almost become some sort of dogwhistle term.


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bulldust
Nice...
I'll have to remember that term for forums moderated by people with a predominantly US American mindset.
 
Old 12-29-2020, 06:10 PM   #11
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This is how it was presented to me, too.
However, I don't see this as an argument to avoid vaccination...
I really hope I didn't come across as being even a little against vaccination. My sleeve is figuratively already rolled up waiting for March when the Australian rollout is predicted.
 
Old 12-29-2020, 10:24 PM   #12
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The problem here appears to be that covid can be spread by asymptomatic individuals. I don't know of any other viral disease which spreads like that. In flu for instance, if you are infected, you develop symptoms.
Or perhaps we just haven't really tracked asymptomatic influenza transmission until relatively recently?

https://www.influenza.org.nz/sites/d...2020170421.pdf

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Influenza transmission by infected but asymptomatic people
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Viral shedding by asymptomatic persons occurs for around 34 days and by symptomatic persons for around five days.5,7 The amount of virus shed by asymptomatic persons was only slightly less than that shed by those with symptoms.2,5,6
https://www.clinicaladvisor.com/home...-asymptomatic/

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For individuals infected with influenza as many as three-quarters of cases are asymptomatic, according to a study published in The Lancet Respiratory Medicine,
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In an accompanying editorial, Peter William Hornby, said the study raises questions about the extent to which asymptomatic or mild cases of influenza contribute to disease transmission.

A large number of well individuals mixing widely in the community might, even if only mildly infectious, make a substantial contribution to onward transmission.

Last edited by ntubski; 12-30-2020 at 12:06 PM. Reason: Messed up first letter in quote
 
Old 12-30-2020, 05:16 AM   #13
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I stand corrected. You learn something every day.
 
Old 12-30-2020, 11:40 AM   #14
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Asymptomatic carriers occur in many diseases — remember Typhoid Mary?
 
  


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