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Old 02-23-2008, 04:20 PM   #301
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https://agia.fsf.org/order/#signed

rms is a hypocrite. He charges an extra $25 for his signature... sounds like intellectual property to me!
Trying to prove fact is useless to these type of people, there so religious to it, they forget logic is greater then religion and get on the defensive side, in this case they ignore proven statements and ask the same questions over and over, as if your posts don't exist.

I have already stated that RMS was a hypocrite a couple times, but I shal do it again since people seem to ignore facts.

BSD used to advertise there name on every piece of source code (nowhere you can actually see it in the program) RMS didn't like this and convinced them to stop it, so now why it is okay for GNU to advertise there name everywhere?
 
Old 02-23-2008, 04:28 PM   #302
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https://agia.fsf.org/order/#signed

rms is a hypocrite. He charges an extra $25 for his signature... sounds like intellectual property to me!
Are you stupid?
That's meant as a donation.
 
Old 02-23-2008, 04:32 PM   #303
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I have already stated that RMS was a hypocrite a couple times, but I shal do it again since people seem to ignore facts.
While I respect your opinion, those are not facts.

PS: GNU isn't just RMS and the FSF.

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Old 02-23-2008, 05:22 PM   #304
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While I respect your opinion, those are not facts.

PS: GNU isn't just RMS and the FSF.
How is that not a fact? Wikipedia, and the BSD authors can confirm this.
And it was not the FSF that tried to change the BSD license it was RMS that cried about it, so this is indeed a fact.
 
Old 02-23-2008, 05:38 PM   #305
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How is that not a fact? Wikipedia, and the BSD authors can confirm this.
And it was not the FSF that tried to change the BSD license it was RMS that cried about it, so this is indeed a fact.
Your Wikipedia fetish is getting funny
Please read my comment that you just quoted again and start a different topic (hopefully on an other forum and an other planet) about your hate against RMS and the FSF.

I just don't care.
Your insults have nothing to do with GNU.

I *really* don't care who has the biggest ****.
*BOTH* GNU and Linus have given me very valuable software for free and I'd like to thank them both.
GNU/Linux is truly an amazing combination.

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Old 02-23-2008, 08:30 PM   #306
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Given that i am not against anyone, just don't say something then turn around and do the exact opposite
 
Old 02-23-2008, 08:32 PM   #307
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https://agia.fsf.org/order/#signed

rms is a hypocrite. He charges an extra $25 for his signature... sounds like intellectual property to me!
YES, Because NOBODY doesn't pay for him to buy airline ticket.
AND, Airline company ain't running by Free Money System(i.e. Dirty Capitalism, earth pollution, etc etc..)

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ta...an&btnG=Search
...
http://eng.cnews.ru/news/top/indexEn...8/02/21/289246
...

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Old 02-24-2008, 04:41 AM   #308
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I don't know what this is all about - let the guy charge for his sign.It's not like the GPL doesn't work w/o his signature.

I don't believe travel expenses coming out of his personal allowance though.Normally speakers get embursed and expenses paid even in kindergarten.

Nothing wrong with that - it's his job.
 
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Ah, posts intended to be in jest are ruffling feathers, are they? This, perhaps, is too heated a discussion to allow something so frivolous as humor into it.
 
Old 02-24-2008, 04:11 PM   #310
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BSD used to advertise there name on every piece of source code
This is incorrect. The clause was requiring every advertising material that mention the software or its features to include a piece of advertisement.
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RMS didn't like this and convinced them to stop it
He explained why he wanted that controversial advertising clause to be removed. The issue was every single contributor was allowed to add its name to the message. According to the FSF, NetBSD released in 1997 was containing 75 of such acknowledgments which I guess you'll agree was unreasonable.
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so now why it is okay for GNU to advertise there name everywhere?
Not everywhere but to describe the Unix like Operating System having Linux as its kernel and Gnu userland.
 
Old 02-26-2008, 11:33 AM   #311
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Open Source software is the way to go.
That is proved beyond doubt.
It is not like GNU and FSF are lone rangers encouraging freedom in software.


Begging for recognition is demeaning to the entire FOSS community.

Plus I dont think this flame war would have been so fierce if the name of this topic was not so authoritative and egoistic.
'Dont call it "Linux"'

It gets a reaction like:- Who the F*** are you to tell me what to call my OS?

Maybe a better option would have been:-
'Call it GNU/Linux'

Though I am still against this motion, i would have been softer in my reply.
 
Old 02-27-2008, 05:20 AM   #312
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O -well RMS is reeeaally into this.There's a email interview about him stepping down as emacs maintainer and guess what is the first thing he's got to say?

snip

One common error is referring to a free operating system as "Linux." That system is basically GNU; Linux is actually the kernel, one program in the system. Calling the whole system "Linux" means giving the system's principal developer none of the credit.

snip

Pls. observe that this is just to illustrate the thickheadedness of the guy - the interview is about emacs and that runs on a couple free and shockingly enough non-free OS's for Mary's sake!

It seems he really has to pick something with Linux in specific.

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Old 02-28-2008, 01:28 AM   #313
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...this is just to illustrate the thickheadedness of the guy...
What compiler is the software on your Linux system compiled on?
What software license is used by the most programs?
 
Old 02-28-2008, 04:41 AM   #314
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Here is what I can read on the kernel.org site:

Quote:
What is Linux?

Linux is a clone of the operating system Unix, written from scratch by Linus Torvalds with assistance from a loosely-knit team of hackers across the Net. It aims towards POSIX and Single UNIX Specification compliance.
This statement is confusing the kernel (written from scratch by ..., team of hackers) with the OS (clone of Unix, POSIX, Single UNIX Spec.) and the page doesn't mention GNU as the Free Unix like OS project initiator.

The more I read about this Gnu/Linux controversy, the more I understand Stallman's frustration.
 
Old 02-28-2008, 04:53 AM   #315
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Most use the GPL - does that mean I have to chant 'GNU...GNU...GNU' three times a day?

Tell you how I personally think about the whole thing:

If he wants the credits so badly that he has to whine about it any given chance (the link was a interview about emacs and the guy goes on about GNU/Linux before he even agrees to it??) why doesn't he:

a) hassle everybody that uses GNU software not just Linux?

b) put it into the GPL?

Could go like this:

* 3. All advertising materials mentioning features or use of this software
* must display the following acknowledgement:
* This product includes software developed by the
* GNU,RMS and its contributors.

Of course the above is a modified version of the old BSD license and guess what?
The GNU and FSF was hounding BSD to drop it until they finally did.

The hurd ain't dead it just smells funny and Linux is thriving - live with it.
 
  


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