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Old 02-14-2018, 11:07 AM   #1
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Thumbs down Do you still use Firefox? Word against Mozilla.


Hello Linux users. I just want to leave some data here and read your comments on that and if you still consider using Firefox.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMALm1VthGY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPgyTzqDJhM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YpqU5wox6Y

What do you think about it and what's your consern?

P. S. I think even Google doesn't allow itself such insolence.
 
Old 02-14-2018, 11:14 AM   #2
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Firefox is my current browser, I think Mozilla is great and that they're doing the right things, and I don't consider any of the "concerns" raised in those videos to be a problem for me.

You don't have to agree, of course. And if you don't: I recently saw this alternative browser recommended by Brendan Eich. It looks interesting and you might want to try it out.

https://brave.com/

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Old 02-14-2018, 11:41 AM   #3
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I already know about Brave. And Waterfox. But Brave is too raw and ugly. We'll see what devs are going to do. But the browser is not usable yet.
 
Old 02-14-2018, 11:55 AM   #4
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ADD: dugan, you didn't watch the videos. I thought about it just now. How can you already answer? And what "conserns" are you talking about?

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Old 02-14-2018, 12:36 PM   #5
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What do you think about it and what's your consern?
My choice of browsers is not definite, but I appear to hate all of them. Having tried to use something different from Firefox was an unsatisfactory experience. The videos do talk true and you should be aware of it all. But I am sorry; I cannot get rid of Firefox completely, yet.

Being at the end of a slow line, I am using Torbrowser more and more often and do not even complain about speed.

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P. S. I think even Google doesn't allow itself such insolence.
People in France think that the dominating classes in Germany were less corrupt than the French. They cannot know that the Germans have “invented venal acting” and are better in keeping a low profile, beating the drums only for unsuspicious, dumb occasions.

Google is trans-humanism. What more do you need.
 
Old 02-14-2018, 01:27 PM   #6
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Hello Linux users. I just want to leave some data here and read your comments on that and if you still consider using Firefox.
I use Firefox as my default browser, even though I am aware of the issues brought up in the videos. Which is why I choose to harden my FF to mitigate some of these issues.

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You don't have to agree, of course. And if you don't: I recently saw this alternative browser recommended by Brendan Eich. It looks interesting and you might want to try it out.

https://brave.com/
Wait, Brendan Eich recommends his own browser? Imagine that! My biggest problem with ALL Chrome-based browsers, but particularly Brave, is that the bookmark management absolutely sucks. Firefox-based browsers are great for bookmark management, at least for me.

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My choice of browsers is not definite, but I appear to hate all of them. Having tried to use something different from Firefox was an unsatisfactory experience. The videos do talk true and you should be aware of it all. But I am sorry; I cannot get rid of Firefox completely, yet.
These days, it seems like it's not a matter of which browser you like the most, but which browser you HATE THE LEAST.

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Old 02-14-2018, 02:00 PM   #7
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Lunduke: takes about 6min to cut to the chase.

but what are the better alternatives? browser-wise?

isn't Mozilla also deeply involved with letsencrypt?
 
Old 02-14-2018, 07:21 PM   #8
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Oh where to start....

1) Lunduke is ever the exaggerator. If you watch his videos closely he loves to pander to his advertisers, not saying anything is wrong with that but it does reveal his character. Perhaps, he is receiving funds from Google, or another browser company, perhaps he went back to Microsoft (he did recently quit/or was fired by openSUSE, differing reports). Maybe he is mad at Mozilla for some (personal) reason...who knows. But follow the money.

2) Mozilla regardless of some of their decisions, is still (IMO) currently the best browser out there, if you care about opensource etc... If one does not care then of course other options exist, but are they any better? At least Mozilla is not hiding what they do with their money/contributions.

3) The third video, come on, look at the dude's videos, enough said. Surely would not pass the court system litmus test for reliability etc...
 
Old 02-14-2018, 09:59 PM   #9
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"Word against Mozilla"??
Care to translate that into English?
 
Old 02-14-2018, 10:23 PM   #10
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Oh, please.

Lunduke is a professional provocateur.

Mozilla, to the contrary, has a track record of demonstrated integrity and commitment to open source and open-ness.

Sure, Mozilla has made mistakes. So have I. Once, I think. It was back in the aughts . . . .

Furrfu.
 
Old 02-15-2018, 01:45 AM   #11
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Lunduke is a professional provocateur.
I do not know the guy. But if he is (or if he must be considered by a large majority inside a vast group of people, selected for some reason or other) a ... (e.g. their belonging to the same nation or the whole effing human race, having the same language, etc)...

... a “professional provocateur” is not there to gain consent nor to provoke dissent. It would be a pity if we took them for that. Disruption is the base of all progress, as is disobedience the foundation of democracy. It hurts some, and ignites others. Pity.

If you don't get it. I am furious. We have public media, too.
 
Old 02-15-2018, 05:54 AM   #12
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I already know about Brave. And Waterfox. But Brave is too raw and ugly.
And Waterfox has a /datareporting directory with a list and description of every extension I have installed, the install date, uptime, my clientID, CPU, GPU and what driver it's using, etc.

The most disturbing part to me, oddly enough, was the part that indicated the sending of pings:

Code:
"savedPings":0,"activeTicks":115,"pingsOverdue":0}
 
Old 02-15-2018, 06:57 AM   #13
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I like to use Firefox, if only because I know that I'll be using version 1325 in the morning, and it'll be version 2180 by the end of the day.
 
Old 02-15-2018, 07:58 AM   #14
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My browser of choice would be secure, small & lightweight, but this being the real world, I tend to use FF because it does what I need.
 
Old 02-15-2018, 08:39 AM   #15
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Firefox is still my favorite browser mainly because with the AdBlock Plus and Java NoScript plugins I see almost no ads and no javascript I haven't allowed ever runs including the google analytics and other tracking js that seem to exist on almost every site.

Having said that I recently began using Opera at home because it has built in VPN so my ISP doesn't get to track where I go despite the U.S. Congress having sold us out last year.

At work I haven't upgraded Firefox on my Windows 7 workstation beyond 49 mainly because I need to access java administrative stuff for both Java 7 and Java 8. Mozilla/Firefox developed a nasty habit a few releases ago of thinking they're smarter than you are so simply refuse to load things they deem insecure rather than telling you and letting you decide. With 49 I can still decide to add security exceptions for things I know we use internally that can't be upgraded. This means increasingly I have to use other browsers for external browsing.

P.S. The chance I'm going to click on video links at work is zero so I have no clue what was in the original youtube videos referenced.
 
  


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