LinuxQuestions.org
Share your knowledge at the LQ Wiki.
Go Back   LinuxQuestions.org > Forums > Non-*NIX Forums > General
User Name
Password
General This forum is for non-technical general discussion which can include both Linux and non-Linux topics. Have fun!

Notices


Reply
  Search this Thread
Old 12-19-2014, 03:25 PM   #1
sounds greek 2 me
LQ Newbie
 
Registered: Dec 2014
Posts: 6

Rep: Reputation: Disabled
Do you believe that Sony and North Korean hackers over reacted to a dumb movie


http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...n-sony-hacking

Movies are a form of entertainment. I can't believe how naive a company like Sony and certain hackers in Korea are sensitive to a fictional movie.

Celebrities and dignitaries are made fun of in the entertainment industry all the time.

I don't blame Obama for being upset that Sony gave in to the threats if they release the movie in the theaters. The damage is done for Sony in my opinion, now the hackers/terrorist know Sony is weak and possible future demands.

What do you think?
 
Old 12-19-2014, 04:08 PM   #2
metaschima
Senior Member
 
Registered: Dec 2013
Distribution: Slackware
Posts: 1,982

Rep: Reputation: 492Reputation: 492Reputation: 492Reputation: 492Reputation: 492
I really don't think it matters who they blame it on. What matters is how Sony/$ony has been handling this and similar situations:
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...ocuments.shtml

The truth is Sony doesn't care about security and it apparently never will. Yelling and DDOSing about it only makes it worse.
 
Old 12-19-2014, 05:54 PM   #3
dugan
LQ Guru
 
Registered: Nov 2003
Location: Canada
Distribution: distro hopper
Posts: 11,198

Rep: Reputation: 5307Reputation: 5307Reputation: 5307Reputation: 5307Reputation: 5307Reputation: 5307Reputation: 5307Reputation: 5307Reputation: 5307Reputation: 5307Reputation: 5307
I actually work in the industry, so I'm watching what I say. However, I can't resist saying this:

If North Korea is indeed involved, then they are acting like the aliens in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy who demanded that the other side take back what they said about their leader's mother, set sail in a battlefleet to address that insult, and then were swallowed by a small dog.
 
Old 12-19-2014, 09:20 PM   #4
frankbell
LQ Guru
 
Registered: Jan 2006
Location: Virginia, USA
Distribution: Slackware, Ubuntu MATE, Mageia, and whatever VMs I happen to be playing with
Posts: 19,272
Blog Entries: 28

Rep: Reputation: 6123Reputation: 6123Reputation: 6123Reputation: 6123Reputation: 6123Reputation: 6123Reputation: 6123Reputation: 6123Reputation: 6123Reputation: 6123Reputation: 6123
I have tried very hard to care about this, but just can't find the outrage. From all reports, the movie is so very bad that the hackers may have done a favor to the polity and to film-lovers everywhere.

Last edited by frankbell; 12-19-2014 at 09:24 PM. Reason: Clarity
 
Old 12-19-2014, 09:36 PM   #5
Jeebizz
Senior Member
 
Registered: May 2004
Distribution: Slackware15.0 64-Bit Desktop, Debian 11 non-free Toshiba Satellite Notebook
Posts: 4,169

Rep: Reputation: 1373Reputation: 1373Reputation: 1373Reputation: 1373Reputation: 1373Reputation: 1373Reputation: 1373Reputation: 1373Reputation: 1373Reputation: 1373
At first I thought this could all have been just some kind of publicity stunt, until the threats of a '911 style' attack. Whether or not the DPRK is behind this is not exactly clear, one can speculate but it is possible they might be behind it or could be 'hired' by the DPRK. The only thing that did kinda tick me off was the whole threat of violence thing. At that point Sony should thumb their noses at least (that is if they had the balls to do so), and just release the movie out on digital format/VOD. Then people can just watch the movie in the comfort and safety in their own homes.

Still, why would the DPRK care about this movie? Not a peep was heard from them when Team America came out, then again the DPRK is so erratic in their behavior you're better off not trying to analyze them too deeply, unless you feel like having an aneurysm.

In the end the movie will be released, but this does set an unfortunate precedent. Again if the DPRK or someone hired by the DPRK succeeded in shelving the release of a movie, other groups in theory now might try the same tactic say if a documentary or movie that a despot doesn't like could possibly take similar actions. That would be unfortunate.

Last edited by Jeebizz; 12-19-2014 at 09:38 PM.
 
Old 12-19-2014, 09:51 PM   #6
jefro
Moderator
 
Registered: Mar 2008
Posts: 21,937

Rep: Reputation: 3619Reputation: 3619Reputation: 3619Reputation: 3619Reputation: 3619Reputation: 3619Reputation: 3619Reputation: 3619Reputation: 3619Reputation: 3619Reputation: 3619
Just my opinion.

1. North Korea is full of Kooks (in charge). Just listen to "The Voice of North Korea" sometime to see what 1940 propaganda sounds like.

2. North Korea is a puppet regime of China. It's unlikely that N. Korea did this alone.

I feel sad for the poor common people that suffer under this totalitarian regime. I hope that soon they will overthrow their dictator and re-join their cousins in South Korea and enjoy a free and peaceful life.

Sony as well as other companies are just crazy to let all that data have any direct access to the web.
 
Old 12-20-2014, 11:50 AM   #7
DavidMcCann
LQ Veteran
 
Registered: Jul 2006
Location: London
Distribution: PCLinuxOS, Debian
Posts: 6,131

Rep: Reputation: 2302Reputation: 2302Reputation: 2302Reputation: 2302Reputation: 2302Reputation: 2302Reputation: 2302Reputation: 2302Reputation: 2302Reputation: 2302Reputation: 2302
Sony say they are going to release: it's just that the US cinema distributors all chickened out citing possible terrorism.
 
Old 12-20-2014, 05:26 PM   #8
Jeebizz
Senior Member
 
Registered: May 2004
Distribution: Slackware15.0 64-Bit Desktop, Debian 11 non-free Toshiba Satellite Notebook
Posts: 4,169

Rep: Reputation: 1373Reputation: 1373Reputation: 1373Reputation: 1373Reputation: 1373Reputation: 1373Reputation: 1373Reputation: 1373Reputation: 1373Reputation: 1373
Sony does not have to release it to theaters, they can just release it digitally first and then to bluray/dvds afterwards. No real way to cause any physical damage to US citizens if they are watching the movie in their homes over their provider's VOD service. That is if Sony wants to do that.

This whole thing just only gets weirder though:

DPRK proposes a 'joint' effort with the US to 'get to the bottom' of the hack.
US seeks help from China on Sony hack.
 
Old 12-20-2014, 07:50 PM   #9
frankbell
LQ Guru
 
Registered: Jan 2006
Location: Virginia, USA
Distribution: Slackware, Ubuntu MATE, Mageia, and whatever VMs I happen to be playing with
Posts: 19,272
Blog Entries: 28

Rep: Reputation: 6123Reputation: 6123Reputation: 6123Reputation: 6123Reputation: 6123Reputation: 6123Reputation: 6123Reputation: 6123Reputation: 6123Reputation: 6123Reputation: 6123
I saw several interesting blog posts about this today. I have to admit that I haven't read them closely; I have a beastly cold. However, I know that both posters have excellent security credentials.

This one from Bruce Schneier:

https://www.schneier.com/blog/archiv...from_th_4.html

And two from George Smith:

http://dickdestiny.com/blog1/?p=18879

http://dickdestiny.com/blog1/?p=18849
 
Old 12-21-2014, 07:09 AM   #10
Randicus Draco Albus
Senior Member
 
Registered: May 2011
Location: Hiding somewhere on planet Earth.
Distribution: No distribution. OpenBSD operating system
Posts: 1,711
Blog Entries: 8

Rep: Reputation: 635Reputation: 635Reputation: 635Reputation: 635Reputation: 635Reputation: 635
I could not care less about one of many bad American movies not being released and only care a little that Sony has pathetic security practices. Generally speaking, I find the situation amusing, except things like this:
Quote:
Originally Posted by sounds greek 2 me View Post
... Obama for being upset that Sony gave in to the threats if they release the movie in the theaters.
People are criticising Sony for bowing before the threat of violence, but if they had not and released the film, and someone bombed a cinema, those same people would now be criticising Sony for being careless and not taking the threats seriously. Sony is in a no-win situation.
 
Old 12-21-2014, 09:19 AM   #11
sycamorex
LQ Veteran
 
Registered: Nov 2005
Location: London
Distribution: Slackware64-current
Posts: 5,836
Blog Entries: 1

Rep: Reputation: 1251Reputation: 1251Reputation: 1251Reputation: 1251Reputation: 1251Reputation: 1251Reputation: 1251Reputation: 1251Reputation: 1251
There has been an interesting offer from 2600 to Sony:
http://www.2600.com/?q=content%2Foffer-sony-2600
 
Old 12-21-2014, 12:23 PM   #12
Tasker
LQ Newbie
 
Registered: Dec 2014
Location: usa
Distribution: ZorinOS, Tails
Posts: 9

Rep: Reputation: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by Randicus Draco Albus View Post
I could not care less about one of many bad American movies not being released and only care a little that Sony has pathetic security practices. Generally speaking, I find the situation amusing, except things like this:
People are criticising Sony for bowing before the threat of violence, but if they had not and released the film, and someone bombed a cinema, those same people would now be criticising Sony for being careless and not taking the threats seriously. Sony is in a no-win situation.
@ sounds greek 2 me , Randicus Draco Albus

Actually, it was the movie theaters that refused to show the movie due to the threats and sony just acknowledge their request not to do so.

In this day in age, it is possible to stream movies from the theaters to our homes, a sort of pay-per-view concept if they wanted to.
 
Old 12-22-2014, 03:37 AM   #13
Soderlund
Member
 
Registered: Aug 2012
Posts: 185

Rep: Reputation: 81
I don't think North Korea did it. The US government is lying as usual.

http://www.wired.com/2014/12/evidenc...-hack-is-thin/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wired
The email was sent to Sony executives on Nov. 21, a few days before the hack went public. Addressed to Sony Pictures CEO Michael Lynton, Chairwoman Amy Pascal and other executives, it appears to be an attempt at extortion, not an expression of political outrage or a threat of war.

"[M]onetary compensation we want," the email read. "Pay the damage, or Sony Pictures will be bombarded as a whole. You know us very well. We never wait long. You'd better behave wisely."
When politicians say things, it is because they benefit from it somehow. They never care about the truth, but sometimes it happens to be truthful by coincidence. They are extremely opportunistic and devoid of morals, which is how they advance in politics. In this case they probably want to blame the extortion on North Korea as an excuse for sanctions or other hostility.
 
Old 12-22-2014, 04:04 AM   #14
John VV
LQ Muse
 
Registered: Aug 2005
Location: A2 area Mi.
Posts: 17,622

Rep: Reputation: 2651Reputation: 2651Reputation: 2651Reputation: 2651Reputation: 2651Reputation: 2651Reputation: 2651Reputation: 2651Reputation: 2651Reputation: 2651Reputation: 2651
who here remembers the movie "wag the dog"
 
Old 12-22-2014, 08:28 AM   #15
AnanthaP
Member
 
Registered: Jul 2004
Location: Chennai, India
Posts: 952

Rep: Reputation: 217Reputation: 217Reputation: 217
Being a japanese company (closer to and within missile range of N Korea), I think I understand why sony didn't force the distributors to show the flick.

All I know about this flick is that 2 assasins act like journalists and try to assasinate a public figure. Seems a lot like the actual assasination of Ahmed Shah Massoud the afghan leader (good taliban before the term was invented) who wasn't pro pak like hekmatyar or pro russia like dostum.

But I tend towards dugan's view.

OK
 
  


Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
LXer: Kaspersky Secure OS vs China, Iran, North Korea Hackers? LXer Syndicated Linux News 0 05-28-2013 08:31 PM
Sony network attacked again, hackers claim Jeebizz Linux - News 1 06-03-2011 04:38 AM
North Korea 'behind South Korean bank cyber hack' Jeebizz Linux - News 0 05-03-2011 10:22 AM
North Korean expands net presence Jeebizz Linux - News 0 10-11-2010 09:43 AM
Installing Fedora blind, deaf, and dumb. Well, not dumb. Irving Fedora 2 07-18-2006 06:30 PM

LinuxQuestions.org > Forums > Non-*NIX Forums > General

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:20 AM.

Main Menu
Advertisement
My LQ
Write for LQ
LinuxQuestions.org is looking for people interested in writing Editorials, Articles, Reviews, and more. If you'd like to contribute content, let us know.
Main Menu
Syndicate
RSS1  Latest Threads
RSS1  LQ News
Twitter: @linuxquestions
Open Source Consulting | Domain Registration