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Old 04-20-2021, 07:40 AM   #196
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this, which is a well argued, well documented case against.
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that article (which wasn't great, imho)
Huh? That looks like two contradictory opinions.

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The worst of the current vaccines in use is the Chinese one. It hardly scores better than chance.
Obviously you'd want a higher level of protection if possible, but I don't think the comparison to a coin flip makes any sense.
 
Old 04-20-2021, 07:49 AM   #197
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Huh? That looks like two contradictory opinions.



Obviously you'd want a higher level of protection if possible, but I don't think the comparison to a coin flip makes any sense.

3% efficacy after one dose, as opposed to around 85% after one dose of the Pfizer, is just ridiculously low.

56% two weeks after the second dose is still pretty damn poor.

https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n969
 
Old 04-20-2021, 11:06 AM   #198
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Huh? That looks like two contradictory opinions.
Agreed; it's not much use to you that I knew what I was talking about. I just failed to get it across.

I thought the written article was average and stretched out a bit. But Geert Van Den Bossche's interview (linked from point #17 in the article) was revealing, insightful and raised several interesting points.

Does that clear things up?
 
Old 04-20-2021, 02:39 PM   #199
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Swore up and down i didnt want to get the vaccine. Scared of something made so quick. But with my wifes health issues, both our families... better safe than sorry.


That being said here in AZ they using some vsafe program to check up on you. Its optional. I got my first notification to give my vaccine feedback I guess. Clicked and hit with an Oracle error screen. I laughed good at that one. They seem to screw everything they touch.

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Old 04-20-2021, 04:55 PM   #200
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3% efficacy after one dose, as opposed to around 85% after one dose of the Pfizer, is just ridiculously low.
No need to compare with Pfizer; I'd say %3 is probably indistinguishable from 0.

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But Geert Van Den Bossche's interview (linked from point #17 in the article) was revealing, insightful and raised several interesting points.

Does that clear things up?
Yup, fair enough.
 
Old 04-21-2021, 08:38 AM   #201
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Fake shots
https://www.wsj.com/articles/pfizer-...nd-11619006403
 
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It's not as good as this:

https://www.southwarknews.co.uk/news...navirus-probe/
 
Old 04-21-2021, 08:48 AM   #203
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It's not as good as this:
Hilarious!
 
Old 04-21-2021, 09:00 AM   #204
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India hit bad
https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/21/india...hnk/index.html

BV-1 strain
https://www.jpost.com/health-science...ibodies-665836

Super Mutant
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/146676...-covid-strain/
 
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Interesting on the mutants... Funny but sad at the same time about the fakes. All today's criminals seem to wash even behind their ears But you never enjoy watching a fool and his money being parted.

This rise in mutants was one of the concerns of Geert Vanden Bossche. He feels releasing vaccines in the midst of a pandemic will put great pressure on the virus to mutate.
 
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just came from vaccination center, took first shot, no sore arm or anything like that.
 
Old 04-28-2021, 07:09 AM   #207
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My arm did not hurt until the next day but really no different then a flu shot.
Response seems to depend on age but most seem to have more side affects witb the second dose.
 
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... but most seem to have more side affects witb the second dose.
thanks for letting me know, didnt know that.
 
Old 04-28-2021, 07:37 AM   #209
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I think that this 2 part documentary was a little bit slow and draggy for "Frontline". But, here it is for anyone who wants to watch it.

Frontline The Virus That Shook the World, Part 1
https://www.pbs.org/video/the-virus-...rt-one-n5mhte/
Code:
https://ga.video.cdn.pbs.org/videos/frontline/f60b986d-98ed-4ef5-89ae\
-13b555e26bd1/2000231937/hd-16x9-mezzanine-1080p/00003912-hls-16x9-1080p.m3u8
Frontline The Virus That Shook the World, Part 2
https://www.pbs.org/video/the-virus-...rt-two-czxu6n/
Code:
https://ga.video.cdn.pbs.org/videos/frontline/3c6c6ec1-9f19-48ad-afdc\
-83439aca7b4a/2000231938/hd-16x9-mezzanine-1080p/00003913-hls-16x9-1080p.m3u8
Info for 3000k:
Code:
a="https://ga.video.cdn.pbs.org/videos/frontline/f60b986d-98ed-4ef5-89ae-13b555e26bd1\
/2000231937/hd-16x9-mezzanine-1080p/00003912-mp4-720p-3000k.mp4"

wget --spider "$a"
Spider mode enabled. Check if remote file exists.
--2021-04-28 07:32:18--  https://ga.video.cdn.pbs.org/videos/frontline/f60b986d-98ed-4ef5-89ae-13b555e26bd1/2000231937/hd-16x9-mezzanine-1080p/00003912-mp4-720p-3000k.mp4
Loaded CA certificate '/etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt'
Resolving ga.video.cdn.pbs.org (ga.video.cdn.pbs.org)... 52.85.79.55, 52.85.79.51, 52.85.79.101, ...
Connecting to ga.video.cdn.pbs.org (ga.video.cdn.pbs.org)|52.85.79.55|:443... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 2773233561 (2.6G) [video/mp4]
Remote file exists.
 
Old 04-28-2021, 08:34 AM   #210
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Thanks teckk.

I've come to expect slow and draggy from PBS. Even Netflix does better. Irish/English documentaries beat the pants off them interest wise, but not necessarily subject wise. That would be 60 minutes or less here. They did a few 30-40 minute shows during the year looking inside hospitals and Covid wards when things were bad here. You should look for 'Prime Time Investigates' on RTE. They currently pass for documentaries here.

On the Info for 3000K: Why 'wget --spider', which just checks if the file exists? Surely wget <file> errors if it doesn't. Isn't that the same thing?
 
  


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