They have weird crap for breakfast, no thanks.


So you felt you had more of a need for a gun when you were a scrounging student? That seems very rational, but is it not the case that the gun culture is not actually about a need but a right? The constitution says they can have one and as if spoken down from the heavens they will fight for that right for it.

Like most issues in the US, it's complicated. I don't have any unique or insightful comments to share about the Bill of Rights, or about the the prevailing mentalities here.

It's not that I believe a personal firearm debate has no value (it surely does). I just feel that there is no easy answer, and there are so many serious (internal) problems the US needs to tackle with all its energy right now. I digress again.

The constitution doesn't say anything... It merely illustrates to the daft some things that are inherent to all people, and no matter what rules are enacted, they do not trump what is inherent to each individual by virtue of existence.

So when someone tries to trump these inherent rights of individuals, it is not surprising that it often results in unpleasant situations...

To compare one inherent right to another... "I have the right to breathe like I have the right to have this firearm on my hip.."


What would you do if they made it illegal to breathe?
What would you do if they were going to punish you because you were caught breathing?

Well said. I vote we let this thread die and move on to something else.

If that is how you feel I would suggest not starting them in the first place next time.

Your suggestion is noted but AFAIK I'm not bound to follow it in this section of the forum. I thought we had pretty well covered most viewpoints but if you have something pertinent to add please do so.

For myself I plan to finish watching coverage of dozens of immigrants place their hand's over their heart's, say the "Pledge of Allegiance", and finish the road to citizenship at Monticello. Have a good day.

I was watching VP Pence swear in some new citizens over the 4th and thought of this thread. Eight years after my original post I'm proud to say that the great State of Kentucky has joined 15 others in allowing it's citizens to fully exercise their 2nd Amendment right to Constitutional Carry!

The ability, nay, obligation to duel for honor and so forth, as well as every citizen armed is something I wish would come back to the world.
Sure, I'd be someone who'd get shot pretty much immediately, but I think the overall curative effects of that would be worth it.

We've still got a few years until the sun munches us up, there's no rush, so humanity wouldn't suffer too much from a slower spread, if it resulted in a (hopefully) better overall quality of genetic (and behavioral) stock.

We know the scientific method now, logic is inevitable as long as certain things are followed. So what if we get whatever quantum doohickey we might get a few hundred years sooner if there wasn't a sudden explosion of duels and honor killings (no, not like the middle east) left and right.
We'd get them eventually.

Live great, live well, not necessarily long.
Of course a single, or even multiple comments are not enough for me to stuff all the holes you might find in my wish, and there are many I can think of, myself, but I do think the overall effect would be a net positive, maybe not immediately, but ultimately.

Clown world can only be cured with sensiblity and sincerity. Gods, I miss sincerity. I'm so tired of irony, sardonicism, trancelike thinking were people can say the most cruel, heinous things as if they were common greetings. (No, much worse than my wish for 'deadly duels')
I'll gladly give my life for such a law. Cause, you know, it's gonna happen to whoever would suggest and fight for it. Immediately getting shot, cause it's "funny".
Time is melting my flesh off, someday my loin snausage will be ravaged by catheters and I will drool and bubble like an infant, but with less mental acuity, while I fill my depends with ghastly contents until I finally croak.
That's my future without my heroic death induced by ushering back in such a lifestyle.

Oh, sorry for this incredibly huge rant. I'm just a disgruntled pansy, thumb up me arse "it's illegal to make yourself unable to be shot by the government by employing Schutzwaffen" German who has about as much options for sovereignity, both for himself and his people (this includes you! American of Germanic stock. Faroese of Germanic stock. Dane of Germanic stock. Dutchman of Germanic stock. Brit of Germanic stock. Heck, even the French, but only for this) as a ...as a...thing with very little options.

And, no, get your mind out of the gutter. I ain't thinking in base evil rayciss populism or whatever pavlov might have told you to salivate up upon hearing "Germanic stock" (forgive me, this butthurt reply is my own pavlov talking).
I just don't like it that the bad guys have more options, is all.

Anyway, I'm glad that someone out there can conceal carry a gun with not much hassle. May it be used for justice, and not for any BS.