They have weird crap for breakfast, no thanks.


So you felt you had more of a need for a gun when you were a scrounging student? That seems very rational, but is it not the case that the gun culture is not actually about a need but a right? The constitution says they can have one and as if spoken down from the heavens they will fight for that right for it.

Like most issues in the US, it's complicated. I don't have any unique or insightful comments to share about the Bill of Rights, or about the the prevailing mentalities here.

It's not that I believe a personal firearm debate has no value (it surely does). I just feel that there is no easy answer, and there are so many serious (internal) problems the US needs to tackle with all its energy right now. I digress again.

The constitution doesn't say anything... It merely illustrates to the daft some things that are inherent to all people, and no matter what rules are enacted, they do not trump what is inherent to each individual by virtue of existence.

So when someone tries to trump these inherent rights of individuals, it is not surprising that it often results in unpleasant situations...

To compare one inherent right to another... "I have the right to breathe like I have the right to have this firearm on my hip.."


What would you do if they made it illegal to breathe?
What would you do if they were going to punish you because you were caught breathing?

Well said. I vote we let this thread die and move on to something else.

If that is how you feel I would suggest not starting them in the first place next time.

Your suggestion is noted but AFAIK I'm not bound to follow it in this section of the forum. I thought we had pretty well covered most viewpoints but if you have something pertinent to add please do so.

For myself I plan to finish watching coverage of dozens of immigrants place their hand's over their heart's, say the "Pledge of Allegiance", and finish the road to citizenship at Monticello. Have a good day.

I was watching VP Pence swear in some new citizens over the 4th and thought of this thread. Eight years after my original post I'm proud to say that the great State of Kentucky has joined 15 others in allowing it's citizens to fully exercise their 2nd Amendment right to Constitutional Carry!