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Old 07-02-2011, 01:32 PM   #31
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I've been reading a little on this American Exceptionalism... we are all doomed. Blimey. Why do these streams of nonsense carry weight in America yet no where else in any significant amount in the rest of the western world? That's meant to be rhetorical but I doubt it would be taken as such by a scarily large amount of America.

Mind you I have *no* idea how popular this bonkers theory is. So I am possibly doing a huge disservice even to the Bible Belt to think many Americans other than Glen Beck and Terry Jones believe it.

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Old 07-02-2011, 02:13 PM   #32
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[...]Fundamentally though I don't see any movement from these two conflicting views. I know you're wrong... [...]You however "know" your prayers work,...
True. You can't shake my belief system and I can't "instill" faith into your's. Ultimately it is up to the individual.
 
Old 07-02-2011, 03:01 PM   #33
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[...]+1. I'm actually in favour of concealed carry. If criminals don't know who's carrying weapons they'll think twice before attempting a car-jacking or mugging.

As for Europe having "moved on", Switzerland remains an example of a civilized and peaceful society that requires its citizens to own assault rifles and also allows carrying weapons with a proper permit.
Good example.

"Svizzeri sono armatissimi e liberissimi."

http://italian.about.com/library/ant...lprince12i.htm
 
Old 07-02-2011, 03:30 PM   #34
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@mjolnir: with respect (I realize this is your topic), I'd say religion has no place in this thread.

Back on point, I've always personally been a little unsettled by states that allow or encourage open carry among non-LEO citizens. Concealed makes sense to me.
 
Old 07-02-2011, 03:47 PM   #35
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I think we should all start carrying swords again. It takes more balls to engage in a sword fight than to shoot someone from a safe distance.
 
Old 07-02-2011, 04:06 PM   #36
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I think we should all start carrying swords again. It takes more balls to engage in a sword fight than to shoot someone from a safe distance.
I thought the whole point of being able to use firearm for self-defense is that anyone could use a gun - that includes elderly, disabled, physically weak, and so on.
 
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Well, over here they've been debating whether to let old ladies stab burglars or not. You'd be surprised how dangerous some of us old folks can be (not that I'm old, just in late middle age). Maybe I should have put a smiley on my previous post?
 
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@mjolnir: with respect (I realize this is your topic), I'd say religion has no place in this thread.
True. I'm afraid I opened the door and Chris and I got off point some. We did so in a very civil manner though. I do intend at some point in time to start a blog and invite some discussion on these issues.
 
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I couldn't help but notice that you gave no comment at all about the article you pasted. Did you feel that it spoke for itself and that everyone would obviously be in favour of it?

As much as the original post wasn't about religion, it's clearly extremely, obscenely closely linked to religion. Does one set of opinions cause the other, or is it a coincidence?

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As much as the original post wasn't about religion, it's clearly extremely, obscenely closely linked to religion. Does one set of opinions cause the other, or is it a coincidence?
IMO, when you say something like that, you should support your argument with something.
 
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I couldn't help but notice that you gave no comment at all about the article you pasted. Did you feel that it spoke for itself and that everyone would obviously be in favour of it?
Of course not.I did feel that the article spoke for itself and everyone could decide for themselves any degree of noteworthiness.

"As much as the original post wasn't about religion, it's clearly extremely, obscenely closely linked to religion.",I fail to see any overt connection.
 
Old 07-03-2011, 12:51 AM   #42
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Old 07-03-2011, 03:02 AM   #43
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Wow, I don't quite know what to say about that little two year old's temper tantrum. We grew up. We do all those things without the need for weapons to prop our ego's on. We're all quite confident in the size of our manhoods and don't need to compensate, thanks.
See, that's what I'm talking about when I say "undesirable mental disorders."

For some reason, the owned, almost as a rule, describe things in terms of maturity/endowment/capability when discussing matters of independence and "scary" responsibilities. This manner of expression is very effective when an owned thing or group of owned things has a conversation with a more dominant individual or group of individuals and does so in earshot of a group of women. The dominant individual(s) come off looking like villains, the owned things come off looking like righteous fluffy little kittens, and the women in earshot like kittens pretty well, generally...


Did you give yourself to someone else for the women? I mean, I don't even know what to call that.. You pay the people who own you, and you gave them the ownership... "Here, let me give you this beautiful ring, and pay you to keep it!"

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Question -- What's up with people from the UK?
The only thing wrong with some people from the UK is that they want to be like Americans. Most of us aren't "owned". We don't stand with our hands on our hearts every time we hear the national anthem. We don't pledge allegiance to the flag. Our only fault is that we let our governments follow the US government like sheep, because of some imaginary "special relationship".
 
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The only thing wrong with some people from the UK is that they want to be like Americans. Most of us aren't "owned". We don't stand with our hands on our hearts every time we hear the national anthem. We don't pledge allegiance to the flag. Our only fault is that we let our governments follow the US government like sheep, because of some imaginary "special relationship".
The pledging allegiance and the love of quoting the 1st amendment etc. all seems very strange to us in the rest of the world. I suppose it's half a very wonderful thing, but half pretty mental. It's almost as if being American is a religion in it's own right. Is the USA just a very large cult, like Christianity is?

Is there really a vast difference between quoting that "fags burn in hell" compared to the right to arm bears? Both things are professed by their specific set of leaders, written down in books by long dead people who wilfully misinterpret the original texts to suit their needs.
 
  


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