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Old 08-08-2021, 06:09 AM   #16
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The current vaccines are not effective against Delta variant
Phrasing it like that is a dangerous oversimplification, to the point of being false.
Doing this in the current athmosphere of Covid-19 politicisation, vaccination insecurity and anti-vaccination propaganda can mean only one thing: you're an anti-vaxxer troll.

Thankfully topics like this sometimes also bring forth more moderate voices:
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Basically this just says what anyone who pays attention already knew. The vaccines are effective for 6-8 months after which a booster is required to keep high levels of protection. They've said from Day 1 that if it was an extended pandemic that boosters might be required due to lessening protective levels. Making mountains out of molehills.
 
Old 08-08-2021, 06:59 AM   #17
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The variants that are given Greek letters are "variants of concern", i.e. those which are more infectious (alpha, delta) or more severe (gamma) than what was previously around. Most of the mutation in viruses is not very important.

So far no variant has been able to cause serious disease in doubly-vaccinated people (except I think those who had the Chinese vaccine, which really is not very effective). If a variant does break through, it will be a very quick business to edit the RNA vaccines to reflect the new viral protein code. Updating the AstroZenica vaccine will be a slower process, because it involves breeding a modified adenovirus, but still quite doable.

We have had this problem for years with influenza and we never panicked over it. Every winter, there are new flu viruses to which we have poor immunity. So every autumn, old people like me get a booster jab based on the current flu sequences. We'll get used to doing the same with corona viruses.

I still think the best defence against the appearance of new variants is to vaccinate the vulnerable all over the world and not just in rich countries.

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Old 08-13-2021, 01:14 AM   #18
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Phrasing it like that is a dangerous oversimplification, to the point of being false.
Doing this in the current athmosphere of Covid-19 politicisation, vaccination insecurity and anti-vaccination propaganda can mean only one thing: you're an anti-vaxxer troll.
Dude, that is not what I said. That is what the Moderna CEO said. I guess Moderna CEO is an anti-vax troll

And this CNBC article reads, among all the newly infected COVID19 patients, 74% were already vaccinated

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc-...accinated.html
 
Old 08-13-2021, 01:43 AM   #19
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And this CNBC article reads, among all the newly infected COVID19 patients, 74% were already vaccinated

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc-...accinated.html
Any thoughts on how 74% correlates to this from the same article?

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Roughly 97% of new hospitalizations and 99.5% of deaths in the U.S. are among unvaccinated individuals, U.S. health officials repeated this week.
 
Old 08-13-2021, 02:04 AM   #20
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Dude, that is not what I said. That is what the Moderna CEO said. I guess Moderna CEO is an anti-vax troll

And this CNBC article reads, among all the newly infected COVID19 patients, 74% were already vaccinated

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc-...accinated.html
The term "not effective" was not found in either article.

That was your, or somebody else's, phrasing. Typical sensationalist escalation. Or, in other words, BS and FUD.

The fact (!) that even vaccinated people can still get or spread Covid does not mean that the vaccine isn't effective!
 
Old 08-13-2021, 06:21 AM   #21
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I was listening to the radio while waiting for a downpour to stop and heard the daily report of new cases at 143 and 3 deaths for the date in the County across the river and 47 new cases reported for the date in the County I reside in.

My Sister works for the State and was Mandated to get the shots. Neither her Hubby or I are going to get them. I've been staying to myself as much as possible and wear a mask when I have to leave the apartment.


In a population held captive by the Darkest of Evils. Now, the Worlds last Hope is a Hero no one has ever seen.... Jet Li is Black Mask!
 
Old 08-13-2021, 09:04 AM   #22
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The biggest trouble here is "what, exactly, is a 'case?'" Well, if you didn't get the jab, they'll run a test through 47 cycles ... which is almost guaranteed to produce a false-positive result. They'll declare that you have the disease even if you have no symptoms. But it's entirely likely that what the test actually saw is that you "had a cold" sometime in the last two years.

If you did get jabbed, they will run the test only 24 cycles – a much more realistic number. The CDC won't explain their logic but it's fairly obvious: they want "cases" to show up among the unvaccinated, in order to sell more jabs.

The "fly in the ointment" for these manufacturers is that people are getting COVID even after vaccination, and for some people the disease is suddenly much more serious. To compensate for the fact that the potions simply do not work – they do not confer durable immunity – they're rolling out Greek letters and probably will continue to do so until they run out of letters. But, this does not accurately reflect how these viruses behave when they replicate.

Corona and Rhino viruses are unstable. There's a random probability of error every time they replicate. Thus, "variants" occur everywhere, all the time. But, when any "variant" does occur, the probability that it will mutate again remains as before. There is no biology which would cause a more-dangerous 'variant' to appear someplace and then to be reproduced faithfully thereafter. Viruses are not "alive" and they do not "evolve."

These companies took a hundred-billion dollar gamble that they could very quickly make a fortune – and they did. But they also gambled that the potions would do what they promised they'd do – and they turn out to be wrong. If you survive the heart attack or stroke caused by a vaccine-induced blood clot, you can still come down with the disease ... and find its effects to be greatly amplified.

This is neither "good medicine" nor "good science." This is reckless endangerment and abuse of the concept of emergency use authorization.

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Old 08-13-2021, 06:34 PM   #23
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The biggest trouble here is "what, exactly, is a 'case?'"
When they said 47 new cases reported that date, in a 24 hour period, I'm betting they assumed I would know that meant 47 people. Though I can't speak for the rest of the listening audience.

Were you out their in radio land?

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Well, if you didn't get the jab, they'll run a test through 47 cycles ... which is almost guaranteed to produce a false-positive result. They'll declare that you have the disease even if you have no symptoms. But it's entirely likely that what the test actually saw is that you "had a cold" sometime in the last two years.
What test? "A Test" through 47 cycles. No I did not get the jab and will left jab the first one who gets close to me with a syringe and tries to give me one.

I've never had a cold in my life, am never physically ill when everyone else in the building is getting sick, have never had a flu shot or a pneumonia shot and will right hand reverse punch the next one in line with a syringe.

I had to get tested for Covid last year and came up negative before cleared for a procedure done under general anesthesia. They wore a face shield, mask and full surgical garb to swab me from outside the vehicle.

I wore a mask and wear one when leaving my apartment. About the only one in my building that does and was first to do so. Not a paper surgical mask. One made of fabric in South, Korea with a pocket inside for a 5 layer filter with the middle being activated charcoal.

I did have some nitrile black gloves to top off my dark glasses and black from head to toe looking like a lunatic ensemble. My Doctor said it was smart of me to do so when she saw me, with her gloves, face shield and mask underneath. It brought out the freak in her.

I have worked in the Medical Field. I was an in-house EMT at a local hospital in the 80's and Surgery on a live person or autopsy, we all wore masks. Not so the patient wouldn't get sick, so I wouldn't. I don't know whose best interest they had in mind.

(When they examine the abdominal organs they put it all in a garbage bag when they're done and stuff it back inside your stomach cavity before stitching it up and sending your body downstream to the funeral director.)

I have always taken Covid seriously and semi-isolated myself since last year spring. I don't even touch the elevator button with my finger, and wasn't before Covid.. That's where the germs are from everybody else in 50 or so apartments in the building touching it. Probably why I'm never sick when they are...
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If you did get jabbed, they will run the test only 24 cycles a much more realistic number.
Who says they will run this non-existent test 24 times? You? In continuation of attempt to attribute fact to this speculative test? After speculation whether or not I got the jab??

Do you work in a lab? A hospital? Have you ever worked in the Medical Field? How did you come by knowing what other people do without seeing it done?


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The CDC won't explain their logic but it's fairly obvious: they want "cases" to show up among the unvaccinated, in order to sell more jabs.
I agree wholeheartedly but will argue with every fiber of my being if confronted. It's GroupThink just like Cynwulf said in the other thread. I've been watching it on cable TV news. It's gratifying in a sense to watch people, TV anchors, Movie stars and Corporate Heads of companies like American Express, being brainwashed and the lengths they will go to to fit in and fall in line astonishing. As a Dry Cleaner who can appreciate it.

I plan to write about the Principals of GroupThink so everyone can recognize it.
 
Old 08-14-2021, 06:20 AM   #24
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As usual in threads like these, the one's with the longest breath remain, not the one's with the best arguments.
 
Old 08-14-2021, 09:21 AM   #25
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As usual in threads like these, the one's with the longest breath remain, not the one's with the best arguments.
Maybe it's our fault for lingering in General anyhow
 
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Could it possibly have something to do with Moderna raising the vaccine cost by 30% and wanting to sell more of it? Just saying...
 
Old 08-16-2021, 10:51 AM   #27
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We're putting a moratorium on covid threads for the foreseeable future, so this thread is being closed.

https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...2/#post6275674

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