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Old 05-30-2024, 03:36 PM   #16
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It puzzles me, jefro, why you seem to feel so adamantly offended by Congress passing a law as suggested by a president to try to boost the economy by providing a one time economic stimulus to a group of individuals who, perhaps like you or your children could have been, are the most likely to have the training and incentive to do some good for everyone but never seem to be offended by the many billions in tax money spent to stimulate aluminum and other metals or especially Big Oil corporations who have received government welfare each year ever since the 20th Century began and a bit before.

Curious. I mean, if one, why not the other?
 
Old 05-30-2024, 06:51 PM   #17
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Tell me how big oil got money.

If you want give to the poor that is one thing. If you are letting people skip paying their debt that is another. F$##Kin creeps. Look, in almost every job a degree puts you in management. In almost every job you get paid more for the degree. So we now have crooks in higher positions. Great way run a country. Like the last three housing busts. Creeps took out loans and didn't repay the.

Are you a crook too? Does your word mean anything? Have you skipped paying your debts?

I haven't. I paid when everyone else defaulted.
 
Old 05-30-2024, 07:00 PM   #18
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Tell me how big oil got money.

If you want give to the poor that is one thing. If you are letting people skip paying their debt that is another. F$##Kin creeps. Look, in almost every job a degree puts you in management. In almost every job you get paid more for the degree. So we now have crooks in higher positions. Great way run a country. Like the last three housing busts. Creeps took out loans and didn't repay the.

Are you a crook too? Does your word mean anything? Have you skipped paying your debts?

I haven't. I paid when everyone else defaulted.
We said, well said. I paid off my student debts straight out of my pocket. Why should them jerkoffs get their loans forgiven? I also do not skip paying off my other debts either. What makes them jerkoffs so special? Oh, now I get it. Vote buying, that is what it is.
 
Old 05-30-2024, 08:05 PM   #19
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Some people have student loans and pay them off. Some cannot. The ones I am concerned with are ones with loan deals that forgive the loan when they have paid the principal and are paying interest and meet certain criteria. and then the lender cheats and will not forgive the interest. For any other kind of loan they could file a lawsuit and win, but for education loans they cannot. THOSE are the ones that should be forgiven first. Those people are not jerks or lazy, they are hard working honest people who have been cheated and deserve justice!

On another note: no other first world nations allows such student debt predation. We should grow up.
 
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We said, well said. I paid off my student debts straight out of my pocket. Why should them jerkoffs get their loans forgiven? I also do not skip paying off my other debts either. What makes them jerkoffs so special? Oh, now I get it. Vote buying, that is what it is.
There is something heartless and inhuman about the attitude "well it is not my problem but I am outrage by the solution even though it costs me nothing" in this country.
 
Old 05-30-2024, 08:12 PM   #21
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There is something heartless and inhuman about the attitude "well it is not my problem but I am outrage by the solution even though it costs me nothing" in this country.
Costs nothing is a fallacy. Loan failures increase the loan interest rates on others. There is no such thing as a free ride. Someone is going to pay redgardless if it is you, me or someone else. As you said, people need to grow up. I will add that they also need get real.
 
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Costs nothing is a fallacy. Loan failures increase the loan interest rates on others. There is no such thing as a free ride. Someone is going to pay redgardless if it is you, me or someone else. As you said, people need to grow up. I will add that they also need get real.
That is not true. That would be true for real money and a commodity, but this is ghost money that depends upon fraud and a service being mismanaged. Someone is only paying for the fraud if the student pays off the loan WITH the interest they should never have owed.
 
Old 05-30-2024, 08:42 PM   #23
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When is the last time you borrowed money, had a loan, with no interest to repay? Real property, real money, comodity, secured loan or unsecured loan? You should rethink your statement because I am afraid you have it wrong.
 
Old 05-31-2024, 07:04 AM   #24
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I think it is yet another empty promise like The Wall
That's all it is: Electioneering.

Trump and his advisors knows well who he depends on to elect him. He will protect their gas guzzling pick ups and rifles, apparently...
 
Old 05-31-2024, 08:10 AM   #25
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Trump may or may not be able to reverse the Inflation Reduction Act as it relates to EV cars but he can probably may it more difficult to implement. A lot of money as already been distributed to the states for building charging stations. It is true that technically EV cars are recharged using fossil fuels but the advantage is that you have one "engine" versus 100s of thousands which has more EPA stringent pollution rules. The results are cleaner air, less Co2 etc. Part of the IRA is to improve the electrical grid which does need an upgrade.

It his difficult to determine the exact number of years left until we run out of oil and gas but it is inevitable.
 
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...It his difficult to determine the exact number of years left until we run out of oil and gas but it is inevitable.
Excellent point. Sunlight never runs out. (Although it will CHANGE in about 1.1 Billion years and then the oceans will boil away.) Wind and wave power will exist as long as there is water and air and the planet rotates. Coal and Oil is are limited resources that can never be recreated and WILL become exhausted if we keep using them. Of course, if we keep using them we will probably become extinct well before we use them up due to the consequences of the resulting global warming if that continues.

Any way you slice it continuing to use fossil fuels is pretty stupid. That fits right into the Trump wheelhouse, but most of the country (and the world) recognizes that global suicide is probably a bad idea.

Could Trump prevent EV production, support, and proliferation? Probably not, but it might depend upon how many suicidal supporters get elected down ballot.

No one country can save the world, it will take all of us. IT might take only one country to end humanity, but that has been true since the atom bomb was developed.
 
Old 05-31-2024, 12:17 PM   #27
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Tell me how big oil got money.
Are you serious? It was a campaign issue way back when Ralph Nader ran so it was very public. If you somehow missed that you could begin the cluttered path (LOTS of government incentives) with the "Oil Depletion Allowance".

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If you want give to the poor that is one thing. If you are letting people skip paying their debt that is another. F$##Kin creeps. Look, in almost every job a degree puts you in management. In almost every job you get paid more for the degree. So we now have crooks in higher positions. Great way run a country. Like the last three housing busts. Creeps took out loans and didn't repay the.
To be clear I'm not saying the billions of dollars in assistance to Big Oil was wrong or even unwise. There is a reason why when gasoline was over $5.00/gallon everywhere else in the world it was UNDER $1.00/gallon in the US. That's what government assistance does. This has been going on for generations. Do you not recall that farmers were paid for NOT growing on acreage? Alcoa was absolutely propped up for decades to allow economy of scale to get the cost of aluminum down. It's a large part of why the US dollar has been in the top 5 currencies in the world for several human lifetimes.

Also, you want to talk about crooks? Even the most calculating dishonest college students are rank amateurs compared to corporations, banks, and savings and loan outfits and it was college educated people that created 90% of the advances that enrich your life and every life in the world including the means by which your ideas are available here. It wasn't done by High School dropouts.


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Are you a crook too? Does your word mean anything? Have you skipped paying your debts?

I haven't. I paid when everyone else defaulted.
WTF? This is surely a perfect example of the adage that when you point a finger at someone 4 more point back at you. This is absolutely scurrilous. You do not know me but you can easily know if my word means anything after the decades I've been posting regularly all over LQN. Shame on you for such an unwarranted attack.

FWIW I'd actually like to be given the opportunity to find out if Laissez Faire Capitalism is or isn't ultimately better than our Federalist system that props up some and "discourages" others (the horrid Lobby System is but one example) and instead lets dollars be votes in the economic version of Democracy. I'm aware that's not likely to ever happen here as the system is way too firmly entrenched but that I subscribe to such a fantasy meritocracy should tell you something about how I view accountability.
 
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That's all it is: Electioneering.
Of course it is that, too. A very large percentage of "efforts", whether realized or vaporware, by any organization is for the Controllers to provide for the Controlled what they clamor for. "The squeaky wheel gets the grease", right? and isn't that mainly for good reason? What? Do you imagine it would be better to grease the wheels that don't squeak? Don't you recall "Trickle Down" Reaganomics?
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Old 05-31-2024, 04:23 PM   #29
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when your battery is low, you just pull up at a service station, they remove the battery and replace it with a fully charged one. Then off you go again. The battery you left behind is...
First batteries would have to be interchangeable. Second, So I have a brand new car and I pull in. The 'new' battery is pulled out, and other with 200 charge cycles is put in... Hmmm. Sounds fair? Don't think so. Not workable.

People think battery power (batteries, turbines, solar cells) is clean, but mountains of dirt is moved, metals smelted, sent to a factory, all materials are assembled, etc... So clean? Then it uses electricity that is generated somewhere... Not magic at all. It just appears clean as the power generation is not in 'your' backyard. All smoke and mirrors to 'sell' to the gullible who have bought into man made global warming, err, cooling, err, warming... Or wait lets call it 'climate change' to cover all bases... yeah....

As for EV. The way to pull the plug is to end the 'incentives' that we the people are paying for. Stop the government subsidies will do the trick. Same with the renewable machines. If it can't stand on its own in the market, let it die. But keep researching (fund the research)... Someday a doable solution will be found. Meanwhile, build some nuclear plants, coal, and natural gas and get us back on track...

In our area, EV is far and few. We 'may' have two or three in our city. Not received well here. Who wants to be stuck in the mountains without a charging station??? Or not start at 30F below zero... Owners here can't afford having a vehicle for every situation. EV just isn't there ... yet.

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First batteries would have to be interchangeable. Second, So I have a brand new car and I pull in. The 'new' battery is pulled out, and other with 200 charge cycles is put in... Hmmm. Sounds fair? Don't think so. Not workable.

People think battery power (batteries, turbines, solar cells) is clean, but mountains of dirt is moved, metals smelted, sent to a factory, all materials are assembled, etc... So clean? Then it uses electricity that is generated somewhere... Not magic at all. It just appears clean as the power generation is not in 'your' backyard. All smoke and mirrors to 'sell' to the gullible who have bought into man made global warming, err, cooling, err, warming... Or wait lets call it 'climate change' to cover all bases... yeah....

As for EV. The way to pull the plug is to end the 'incentives' that we the people are paying for. Stop the government subsidies will do the trick. Same with the renewable machines. If it can't stand on its own in the market, let it die. But keep researching (fund the research)... Someday a doable solution will be found. Meanwhile, build some nuclear plants, coal, and natural gas and get us back on track...
Well said, very well said!
 
  


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