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Old 04-02-2018, 02:37 AM   #31
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Originally Posted by ondoho View Post
vaguely, yes.
i'm seriously considering shutting my facebook account completely; i hear it's possible, but requires quite many key clicks, and waiting for a reply from facebook...
Yeah, it does and yeah they'll send ya emails, begging you to stay. Just don't reply to them and in a couple of weeks, your account will hopefully be gone.

Just not your 'shadow account'...
Old 04-02-2018, 07:31 AM   #32
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As I've said, the laws and international treaties do not yet exist today to designate as 'private' anything that you say or do online, or anything that any device that you carry is technically capable of collecting about you.

This is unprecedented: every other advance in electronic communication was buttressed by strict privacy statutes. But not this one. Not yet.

Cambridge Analytica isn't nearly scary enough to cause people to wake up. I think that it will take a mass act of terror, and that will not be pretty. We have laid the entire technical groundwork for such a heinous act. It just hasn't happened. Yet.

But if someone can actually engineer to blow three buildings to the ground with people in them, one bright September morning in New York City, someone will use the Internet to commit an act of war such as the world has never yet known, and Puck will once again be proved right:
Originally Posted by William Shakespeare:
"What Fools These Mortals Be!"
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The Verge did a piece saying that the leaked data was most likely garbage and did not give any significant edge for the Trump campaign. It was some dumb personality test that put you in one of five categories like being extroverted or introverted.

I did delete my Facebook account though, because it is useless anyway, riddled with unverifiable news and click-bait articles.
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Originally Posted by ugjka View Post
The Verge did a piece saying that the leaked data was most likely garbage and did not give any significant edge for the Trump campaign. It was some dumb personality test that put you in one of five categories like being extroverted or introverted.
with all respect, ugjka, the point was and is that through this quiz they gained access to ALL user data - not only of participants, but also of their friends and maybe even friends' friends.

knowing that targeted advertising is a scaringly clever thing, i very much believe that it gave various politicians and organizations an edge to win an election or similar.
CA not only creates targeted (partly fearmongering, fake, who knows) advertising, but also other fake content, like links to specifically created blogs, to make the targeted users convince that Mr. XYZ is the one to solve all problems.

Now the news is almost exclusively about facebook, but when this first broke there was much more information about what the politicians & CA did. It's horrifying, and I'm appalled that nobody seems to dispute that this is even legal, both what the politicians and what CA did.
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Originally Posted by Bruce Schneier:
In the wake of the Cambridge Analytica scandal, news articles and commentators have focused on what Facebook knows about us. A lot, it turns out. It collects data from our posts, our likes, our photos, things we type and delete without posting, and things we do while not on Facebook and even when we're offline. It buys data about us from others. And it can infer even more: our sexual orientation, political beliefs, relationship status, drug use, and other personality traits -- even if we didn't take the personality test that Cambridge Analytica developed.

But for every article about Facebook's creepy stalker behavior, thousands of other companies are breathing a collective sigh of relief that it's Facebook and not them in the spotlight. Because while Facebook is one of the biggest players in this space, there are thousands of other companies that spy on and manipulate us for profit.

Harvard Business School professor Shoshana Zuboff calls it "surveillance capitalism." And as creepy as Facebook is turning out to be, the entire industry is far creepier. It has existed in secret far too long, and it's up to lawmakers to force these companies into the public spotlight, where we can all decide if this is how we want society to operate and -- if not -- what to do about it.

There are 2,500 to 4,000 data brokers in the United States whose business is buying and selling our personal data. Last year, Equifax was in the news when hackers stole personal information on 150 million people, including Social Security numbers, birth dates, addresses, and driver's license numbers.

You certainly didn't give it permission to collect any of that information. Equifax is one of those thousands of data brokers, most of them you've never heard of, selling your personal information without your knowledge or consent to pretty much anyone who will pay for it.

Surveillance capitalism takes this one step further. Companies like Facebook and Google offer you free services in exchange for your data. Google's surveillance isn't in the news, but it's startlingly intimate. We never lie to our search engines. Our interests and curiosities, hopes and fears, desires and sexual proclivities, are all collected and saved. Add to that the websites we visit that Google tracks through its advertising network, our Gmail accounts, our movements via Google Maps, and what it can collect from our smartphones.

That phone is probably the most intimate surveillance device ever invented. It tracks our location continuously, so it knows where we live, where we work, and where we spend our time. It's the first and last thing we check in a day, so it knows when we wake up and when we go to sleep. We all have one, so it knows who we sleep with. Uber used just some of that information to detect one-night stands; your smartphone provider and any app you allow to collect location data knows a lot more.

Surveillance capitalism drives much of the internet. It's behind most of the "free" services, and many of the paid ones as well. Its goal is psychological manipulation, in the form of personalized advertising to persuade you to buy something or do something, like vote for a candidate. And while the individualized profile-driven manipulation exposed by Cambridge Analytica feels abhorrent, it's really no different from what every company wants in the end. This is why all your personal information is collected, and this is why it is so valuable. Companies that can understand it can use it against you.

None of this is new. The media has been reporting on surveillance capitalism for years. In 2015, I wrote a book about it. Back in 2010, the Wall Street Journal published an award-winning two-year series about how people are tracked both online and offline, titled "What They Know."

Surveillance capitalism is deeply embedded in our increasingly computerized society, and if the extent of it came to light there would be broad demands for limits and regulation. But because this industry can largely operate in secret, only occasionally exposed after a data breach or investigative report, we remain mostly ignorant of its reach.

This might change soon. In 2016, the European Union passed the comprehensive General Data Protection Regulation, or GDPR. The details of the law are far too complex to explain here, but some of the things it mandates are that personal data of EU citizens can only be collected and saved for "specific, explicit, and legitimate purposes," and only with explicit consent of the user. Consent can't be buried in the terms and conditions, nor can it be assumed unless the user opts in. This law will take effect in May, and companies worldwide are bracing for its enforcement.

Because pretty much all surveillance capitalism companies collect data on Europeans, this will expose the industry like nothing else. Here's just one example. In preparation for this law, PayPal quietly published a list of over 600 companies it might share your personal data with. What will it be like when every company has to publish this sort of information, and explicitly explain how it's using your personal data? We're about to find out.

In the wake of this scandal, even Mark Zuckerberg said that his industry probably should be regulated, although he's certainly not wishing for the sorts of comprehensive regulation the GDPR is bringing to Europe.

He's right. Surveillance capitalism has operated without constraints for far too long. And advances in both big data analysis and artificial intelligence will make tomorrow's applications far creepier than today's. Regulation is the only answer.

The first step to any regulation is transparency. Who has our data? Is it accurate? What are they doing with it? Who are they selling it to? How are they securing it? Can we delete it? I don't see any hope of Congress passing a GDPR-like data protection law anytime soon, but it's not too far-fetched to demand laws requiring these companies to be more transparent in what they're doing.

One of the responses to the Cambridge Analytica scandal is that people are deleting their Facebook accounts. It's hard to do right, and doesn't do anything about the data that Facebook collects about people who don't use Facebook. But it's a start. The market can put pressure on these companies to reduce their spying on us, but it can only do that if we force the industry out of its secret shadows.

2018 Bruce Schneier


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