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Old 04-24-2018, 11:49 PM   #1
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"But did they actually MAKE those (non-descript) ice-cream bars?"


I recently encountered – and, for some strange reason, was induced to buy – a certain package of ice-cream bars. After consuming the actual product – such little as it was – that was actually contained within the box itself, well, I found myself more-and-more attracted to ... "the box itself." Allow me to explain.
  • "Live and Active Cultures." The product in question is not Yogurt, and actually has nothing whatsoever to do with Yogurt, but our marketing department thought that it sounded good. Especially when tacked on after "processed in a facility that uses (various kinds of nuts)." Just for good measure.
  • "Dear God! 'Greek!™' 'Organic!™' 'Gluten-Free!™'" Bring on the buzzwords!
  • A paragraph-long, hand-signed message from our ever-grateful entrepreneurial Founders. Yeah, both of them. Gushing their gratitude that you actually bought the thing, and obsequiously anxious to tell you why. (Uhhh... Thank you.™)
  • Stupid, Irrelevant Trivia: "Did you know where the product's name actually came from?" Yeah, me neither.
  • "Manufactured For." In other words, "the company which brought you all of this supposed-to-be very-impressive packaging" did not actually undertake to manufacture the product itself. (In fact, they never bother to tell you who actually did.) So, all that you actually bought for your money was advertising.

However, I suppose that I can't lay claim to being the first to observe the utter-stupidity of "advertising." Maybe Consumer's Reports did it first, in their now-famous "Selling It" column, or maybe MAD Magazine, which first observed that the "tray packaging" of a candy bar was noticeably longer than the actual length of the piece of candy that it contained.

However, I suppose that it is entertaining to yet-again observe that these noble marketing principles are still well-represented, even here in the 21st Century.

... ""

... (or, should I say ... "")
 
Old 04-25-2018, 09:55 AM   #2
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Did they taste good?

I like the Blue Bunny bars. Screw the Listeria. They taste good.
 
Old 04-25-2018, 11:01 AM   #3
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'Organic!™' 'Gluten-Free!™'
In the EU and I would have to assume much of the world, "gluten free" tends to denote food which is suitable for those with Coeliac disease. You are displaying remarkable ignorance in lumping this in with marketing terms.
 
Old 04-25-2018, 11:07 AM   #4
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Did they taste good?

I like the Blue Bunny bars. Screw the Listeria. They taste good.
Exact opposite!

My story describes how you couldn't pay me to eat a Blue Bunny bar.

At a Summer party we went for more provisions and the nieces and nephews came along.

The kids of course promoted the ice cream section and we let them sorta go hog wild.

One little guy really wanted the giant box of Blue Bunny bars, white ice cream, chocolate shell, on a stick. What could be more classic?

His Mom was like ... Gee Johnny that's a BIG box ... but we were all like, "Let him have it! And besides, we're paying!"

So he rode back in the truck hugging that box the whole way. Cute as heck.

We get back, he took a bar, ran away, and at some point, ran back to the common trash bucket and tossed it after a bite or two. We joked and head shaked, and his Mom said, "I told you so!"

Then two girls came over, they were a few years older, grabbed one each of those. Got about 10 feet and then walked back, tossed them and said, "Uh ... those are dis-gust-ing!"

So we tried them. They smelled fine. They were in date, the chocolate tasted like ... I don't know ... weird. The ice cream was just .... non-flavored. The girls were right.

We tossed the whole box pondering how idiotic it was that somebody could screw up something as simple as vanilla ice cream covered in chocolate! Thankfully there were Klondike bars around to rinse out our mouths.

And I mean, we checked out the box. That's how we found they actually had a freshness date. There was nothing special about them, they weren't for diabetics, or fat free. Yes the ingredients were a bunch of chemicals, we figured that, and figured that the Klondike bars would say the same, they did. So they really were supposed to be just chocolate covered vanilla ice cream bars, full sugar, intended for kids and sinful adults.

OK, they were cold, I'll give them that.

To this day, if someone suggests Blue Bunny to me? Nah-Ahh!!!!

I think it's sort of like if you had a bad experience at some restaurant, you'll never go there again.
 
Old 04-25-2018, 05:44 PM   #5
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Lol. They were that good? Living in TX. I get the fresh stuff. No telling what you ended up with between Tx and Mass.

Edit: Being a dude that lives 2 weeks from everywhere and anything I need gets shipped to me. All I gotta say is delivery has gone to crap since the internet kicked in. At least for me. Holes in boxers. Crushed boxes. Empty boxes.

I have had packages tracked to within 75 miles of my place. From a private individual.
Then disappear on the delivery truck.

Shipping has gone to the dogs lately.

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Old 04-25-2018, 07:43 PM   #6
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In the EU and I would have to assume much of the world, "gluten free" tends to denote food which is suitable for those with Coeliac disease.
True.

I used to know a lady who could not tolerate wheat in any form, so I know it's a real thing, but, here in the States, it's also a really overblown thing.

In the States, home of silly fads and sillier consumers, many persons who do not suffer from any gluten-related condition have convinced themselves that "gluten free" is somehow or other ipso facto a good thing.

sundialsvcs's (!) cynicism about US advertising is spot on. Advertisers will seize on whatever they can to make their product look better, however irrelevant, even nonsensical, it may be.

This article might be of interest: https://www.quora.com/Why-does-ice-cream-contain-gluten
 
Old 04-29-2018, 10:26 AM   #7
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In the EU and I would have to assume much of the world, "gluten free" tends to denote food which is suitable for those with Coeliac disease. You are displaying remarkable ignorance in lumping this in with marketing terms.
You should be careful before accusing people of ignorance.

In the US, 'gluten free' is most definitely a marketing term. Just because it's also useful for people with Coeliac disease does not mean that it isn't also a term co-opted by marketers to increase the value of their product.

There's a current dietary fad against gluten in the US - the vast majority of which do not have a gluten allergy. There's a southpark episode on this very hysteria.
 
Old 04-29-2018, 11:32 AM   #8
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Advertisers will seize on whatever they can to make their product look better, however irrelevant, even nonsensical, it may be.
How can you afford not to buy it?
 
Old 04-29-2018, 11:37 AM   #9
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You should be careful before accusing people of ignorance.

In the US, 'gluten free' is most definitely a marketing term. Just because it's also useful for people with Coeliac disease does not mean that it isn't also a term co-opted by marketers to increase the value of their product.

There's a current dietary fad against gluten in the US - the vast majority of which do not have a gluten allergy. There's a southpark episode on this very hysteria.
Well it's really good to know that there's a southpark episode. That makes all the difference...
 
Old 04-29-2018, 12:28 PM   #10
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Great post sundial, witty and spot on.

Advertising of buzz words has evolved into a ridiculous extreme. I enjoy using a particular natural cleaning agent from a particular company with Generation in their name. I also laugh every time I read the label of their products and they all say "Gluten Free". I suppose if those rare few with a "gluten allergy" ever drink this cleaning product they can rest assure that it will not aggravate their condition. This is one example. I have also seen "Gluten Free" on cartons of orange juice, lemonade, etc....

Regarding gluten, it is an essential component and aids in digestion. If a person who does not have a disorder eats a gluten free diet they will destroy their intestines. One example: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...-a7713711.html

What people with this disorder are actually allergic to is GMO, in particular the pesticides placed in the seeds of wheat and other grains. Many people have been helped by switching to organic or at least Non-GMO food and not only does their condition improve they also can consume bread/wheat again etc... Now you know why this condition popped up all of a sudden when mankind has consumed grains for thousands of years, yet this condition can be chart plotted to the exact year that GMO grains/food were introduced into mainstream markets.

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Old 04-29-2018, 01:03 PM   #11
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What people with this disorder are actually allergic to is GMO, in particular the pesticides placed in the seeds of wheat and other grains. Many people have been helped by switching to organic or at least Non-GMO food and not only does their condition improve they also can consume bread/wheat again etc... Now you know why this condition popped up all of a sudden when mankind has consumed grains for thousands of years, yet this condition can be chart plotted to the exact year that GMO grains/food were introduced into mainstream markets.
Hmm, this sounds dubious.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coeliac_disease

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The term "coeliac" is from the Greek κοιλιακός (koiliakσs, "abdominal") and was introduced in the 19th century in a translation of what is generally regarded as an Ancient Greek description of the disease by Aretaeus of Cappadocia.[32][33]
 
Old 04-29-2018, 02:05 PM   #12
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dubious how? So they used a Greek word that meant/means abdomen, that's no different then occult meaning hidden, and was used in the past to refer to blood, organs etc...
 
Old 04-29-2018, 03:14 PM   #13
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dubious how? So they used a Greek word that meant/means abdomen, that's no different then occult meaning hidden, and was used in the past to refer to blood, organs etc...
(1) "named in the 19th century" which precedes technology enabling direct modification of genes, as far as I know.
(2) "a translation of what is generally regarded as an Ancient Greek description of the disease"
 
Old 04-29-2018, 05:46 PM   #14
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If you research Monsanto's GMO crop pesticides, they are designed to cause the guts of pests to explode upon eating the plant. Since humans are larger, this process takes longer and shows up as ulcers, intestinal lesions etc...Continued consumption of these GMO's continues to aggravate the problem until the person has difficulty eating most food(s).

The problem is the GMO not the wheat/grain.
 
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Well it's really good to know that there's a southpark episode. That makes all the difference...
It illustrates your depth of ignorance on the topic when even Southpark has provided commentary on the matter.
 
  


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