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Old 07-12-2016, 12:44 PM   #211
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ps. Britain have new PM Theresa May, pound is going up again :-), economic growth will follow soon.
Article 50, then will see what happens. You are technically still in.

And it is gonna be a long road... Brexit could take up to six years to complete, says Philip Hammond

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Old 07-12-2016, 02:46 PM   #212
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this is heel dragging of those pro EU aristocrats/bureaucrats who are unable to digest that defeat.

ARTICLE 50 says two years, then you out and that shall happen or i will loose all my faith in EU and democracy.
looks like catch 22 for some dignitaries.

i live in Ireland and that what happened and is going on here is a nonsense.
 
Old 07-13-2016, 06:43 AM   #213
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Well you want everything sorted out. If EU simply kicked them out and broke all the trade deals and agreements UK would be completely wrecked economically.
 
Old 07-13-2016, 12:27 PM   #214
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No-one is going to "break all trade agreements". The Bundesverband der Deutschen Industrie has gone on record as opposed to trade barriers between the EU and the EK. Obviously companies like BMW do not want their exports reduced, nor do they want to re-source the components and materials they currently buy from us. I think it's safe to say that what the BDI wants the German government will want, and what the German Government wants they'll get!
 
Old 07-13-2016, 12:56 PM   #215
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and that is to say!
 
Old 07-13-2016, 02:19 PM   #216
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Germany is a big european player. But so are others. And also the small countries have their votes.

Countries of the EU by population in millions:
Germany 82, France 67, (United Kingdom 65), Italy 61, Spain 46, Poland 38, Romania 20, Netherlands 17, Belgium 11, Greece 11, Czech Republic 11, Portugal 11, Sweden 10, Hungary 10, Austria 9, Bulgaria 7, Denmark 6, Finland 5, Slovakia 5, Ireland 5, Croatia 4, Lithuania 3, Slovenia 2, Latvia 2, Estonia 1, Cyprus 0,8, Luxembourg 0,6, Malta 0,4

Our politicians and economy won't be childish and view other countries as 'enemies'. Is there a reason for only a single player to embargo anyone/each other now as Britain wishes to leave EU? Erm, I don't think so....

As I said earlier: we're in business, and that won't change.

Is there any interest group who has a different opinion on that? I would be curious to know them.

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Old 07-14-2016, 06:56 AM   #217
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UK will leave single market http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7136101.html
 
Old 07-14-2016, 08:10 AM   #218
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I hope so, because all of the fuss and nearly nothing changes would be pitiful.

I think it is great that Johnson will be foreign secretary. And that the cabinet is mixed leave/remain folks. That is wise. Architects of the Brexit must have a part in negotiating the new deals and bringing in creativity.

Anything else would be the utmost nonsense.
 
Old 07-14-2016, 08:13 AM   #219
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Well obviously yes but:
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"I would like to see us negotiating access to the single market for Britain's businesses, so we can go on selling our goods and services into the European Union market and indeed enjoying the benefits of consuming European Union goods and services here as we do now."
In other words they will probably apply to join the single market 'post-brexit'...

This will be quite a disappointment for those who voted on the basis of some nasty propaganda about immigration and "money sent to Brussels", etc...

Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you look at it) the needs and wants of big business come before political ideology, never mind "the people".

The "they will trade with us because they have to" camp are thinking one-dimensionally. Imports are a whole different ball game to exports - yes of course the French and Germans will still be pumping in wine and BMWs - but if British based companies, or e.g. British based foreign owned subsidiaries, find they would be better off within an EU country trading with another EU country, then it's entirely plausible they could relocate accordingly.
 
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but if British based companies, or e.g. British based foreign owned subsidiaries, find they would be better off within an EU country trading with another EU country, then it's entirely plausible they could relocate accordingly.
Relocating costs a fortune: finding and converting premises, moving, paying for your staff to move, disposing of the old premises, etc. Then there's the language thing. If you relocate anywhere except Ireland or Malta, few of your staff will speak the local language. Even if some of your senior staff speak French or German, do their spouses and children?
 
Old 07-14-2016, 11:32 AM   #221
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Relocating costs a fortune: finding and converting premises, moving, paying for your staff to move, disposing of the old premises, etc.
Why relocating staff? That costs a fortune! There is staff to hire locally over there, they also speak the language...

That was evil, I know.

But seriously, in case of a share of the profit margin taken away continuously by structural disadvantages like customs duty, etc.: That amounts each period. Do you have an idea what that costs an enterprose over a few decades?

In any case there is going to by structural change. Disadvantages are to come to some sectors of Britains economy, but also that of the economies of continental Europe.

There will also be benefits, and the logical consequence is what was already suggested by some: Britain will shape it's laws to attract other sectors of business to it.

All of this is no big deal. That's fully normal. And politics will be asked to soothen negative effects on some by this structural change, at least for a period of transition

In the EU every normal country fights for is share and advantage, that won't change now. Britain will have some of the dreamed advantages. But naturally the others have a word to speak also... That is perfectly clear.
 
Old 07-14-2016, 12:15 PM   #222
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Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you look at it) the needs and wants of big business come before political ideology, never mind "the people".
Yet we want everything cheap.. *sigh*
 
Old 07-14-2016, 12:34 PM   #223
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Edit: nevermind

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Old 07-14-2016, 03:42 PM   #224
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Countries of the EU by population in millions:
Germany 82, France 67, (United Kingdom 65), Italy 61, Spain 46, Poland 38, Romania 20, Netherlands 17, Belgium 11, Greece 11, Czech Republic 11, Portugal 11, Sweden 10, Hungary 10, Austria 9, Bulgaria 7, Denmark 6, Finland 5, Slovakia 5, Ireland 5, Croatia 4, Lithuania 3, Slovenia 2, Latvia 2, Estonia 1, Cyprus 0,8, Luxembourg 0,6, Malta 0,4
And in that statistic you find the seeds of the EU's undoing: "Malta" is in the same Union as countries who are more than 100 times as large. It tried to, "from Brussels," dictate unified terms to every participant, even though Belgium is 1/6th to 1/8th the size of the "big 'uns."

The United States of America "tolerates Rhode Island alongside California" only because the only governing system is Federal and because the little guys only have some kind of a vote in the Senate. This is not the sort of system that Europe, being thousands of years older and with an ancient history of state-identity (in spite of various conquerors and empires), is ever going to actually accept.

I think that Brussels really did have its eyes on becoming the "Washington, DC of the USE." And, the international global capitalists probably felt that this was a splendid, even inevitable idea. But, these "trans-national" globalists don't really know what "a country" is. They don't think that countries are really that important. Everything, to them, is "strictly business," which starts and ends with next quarter's "numbers." It was only a matter of time before the first country put its foot down.

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Old 07-14-2016, 03:56 PM   #225
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but still is is a kind of paradox that first country to do it was/is also capitol of these capitalists at least on this side of pond.
 
  


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