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Old 06-29-2016, 05:40 PM   #136
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A democratic system implies that the majority of people taking part have a similar vision of society.
You have not differentiated democracy by that at all. In North Korea also the 'the majority of people taking part have a similar vision of society'. The same goes for Soviet Russia. And of course the Third Reich is a good example.

A democracy exists where room for pluralism, and freedom of speech is.

Where there is the following, and indifferently and fully also for the democratic opposition...
- Legal equality
- political freedom
- rule of law...
There we have democracy.

Juncker and polish politicans also don't need to understand british national sentiments in my opinion. Equally your politicians, and I am sure you yourself of course areunable to understand polish national sentiment. And that is also not needed for a large degree. Because we still are countries doing most of their business their own way.

Juncker and the national politicians simply should to do their jobs unhindered, that were appointed to them for good reasons.
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Brexit might just be the turning point to discredit the federalists.
I don't think this is about discredit the 'others', but to design the rules and make suitable better propositions.

By the way I don't think the EU is going away. I don't see a reason anywhere why the members should forgo the benefits.
 
Old 06-29-2016, 09:09 PM   #137
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nh0ac5HUpDU
 
Old 06-30-2016, 06:57 AM   #138
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This is what happens when racists think they are now the "majority"

https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingd...um&sh=dc5c7633
 
Old 06-30-2016, 08:21 AM   #139
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ugjka,

It is a shame that you keep accentuating the negative.

I don't suppose that this positive news item will cheer you up either:

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Thanks for being here then...............thanks for being here now.
http://www.southwales-eveningpost.co...ail/story.html

When will you get it into your thick head that all those UK voters who voted Leave are not National Front supporters?

The number one reason for voting Leave, ahead of immigration was UK national sovereignty.

Don't take my word for it. Read a selection of UK newspapers or visit the BBC/ITV news sites.
 
Old 06-30-2016, 09:49 AM   #140
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I didn't mean to mean that every one who voted to leave are racists, all am saying is that the outcome of this has validated everyone who has racist tendencies.

Enjoy your sovereignty or whatever, I really doubt you had lost any. But lets pretend that you have it again.
 
Old 06-30-2016, 10:12 AM   #141
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Enjoy your sovereignty or whatever, I really doubt you had lost any.
I really think that the UK electorate are better judges of their sovereignty than anybody else outside the UK.

Please see attached jpg which neatly sums up the mood in the UK.
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Old 06-30-2016, 10:13 AM   #142
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all am saying is that the outcome of this has validated everyone who has racist tendencies.
So are you trying to say it was immoral to vote leave, because rasists will feel validated?

Everybody who felt like voting leave has the well right do do so, be it out of plausible or senseless motivation.

With the problem of racists you also have to deal if they feel not validated. They don't need to feel validated, they do what they do.

And about the harassment towards Luke Lewis you posted earlier. I think it was narrow-minded of him too to say he was 'ashamed of the decision'. No wonder that he pulls hate on him. Because he should have respected the views of his fellow citizens more. Nevertheless the reactions of these mobsters are terrible. And England has a problem with chauvinists/radical nationalists/hooligans/racists/mob. So has every single country in Europe by the way, and beyond, too.

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Old 06-30-2016, 10:20 AM   #143
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"So are you trying to say it was immoral to vote leave, because rasists will feel validated?"

No I'm just worried about my relatives in UK.
 
Old 06-30-2016, 10:26 AM   #144
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ugjka,



I really think that the UK electorate are better judges of their sovereignty than anybody else outside the UK.

Please see attached jpg which neatly sums up the mood in the UK.
The truth is you never played by the rules of EU anyway, this post from reddit sums it up perfectly

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I think that the EU might have had enough of our shit at this point. For all the cold feet and backtracking recently, the feeling from Brussels seems to be "You've got what you wanted, now live with the consequences. There's the door."
 
Old 06-30-2016, 10:30 AM   #145
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No I'm just worried about my relatives in UK.
Depends on where they live. You always need to stay out of troubles in cities, in England but also elswhere, also at home. It's always good to be aware of your surroundings. I have been attacked in England myself. Your relatives simply must avoid yobs and hooligans of all kind.

At the moment the tension is high. But by telling people they were racists because the voted 'wrong' and saying one is ashamed of them, one doesn't help settle the mood! Britain at the moment needs to get on a level between the two camps.

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Old 06-30-2016, 10:50 AM   #146
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ugjka,

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The truth is you never played by the rules of EU anyway.
If you care to read the EU's anti-fraud report (2015 OLAF), you will see that the UK was bottom of the table for fraud, so you really cannot say that the UK does not play by the rules (whether we like them or not).

Anyway, I have far more pressing matters to attend to, such as installing Linux Mint 18 MATE.

Later I will sit down to my evening meal with ingredients purchased from that outstanding German supermarket, Aldi.

I will also share a bottle of gold medal winning French Chardonnay.

So cheers, prost and ŕ votre santé! I will now sign off permanently from this discussion.

PS Sorry, I didn't buy anything from Latvia.

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Old 06-30-2016, 10:50 AM   #147
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So who is going to do the suicide mission to actally trigger Article 50?
 
Old 06-30-2016, 11:01 AM   #148
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I didn't mean fraud, but Britain has always been reluctant to accept any kind of EU policies. You wanted all the good from EU but anything else was a pain. The way most people feel here that UK was never a real EU citizen, you were always doing your own thing.
 
Old 06-30-2016, 11:09 AM   #149
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Where's the problem?

I cannot see any, do you have any personal administrative difficulties with that, like visiting your relatives?

If you're having a girlfriend that doesn't want to stay with you you're not chaining her to the table either.
 
Old 06-30-2016, 11:17 AM   #150
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Was this supposed to be a problem solving thread lol? I'm just sharing my thoughts/concerns, that's all.
It is already known that free flow of people from/to uk won't be curbed... And...
If your economy goes completely bonkers then I'll probably see some of my relatives return lol
 
  


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