This seems like a shot in the foot to me.

And there go my plans to return to live for a few years in the UK (I have an European passport, so now I should apply for a visa and all that)... Well, maybe Scotland if they stay in the EU (not sure if it's possible).

Sounds nice but I'd keep some reserve on it

I find it a little strange to say the least. After all the brouhaha of the Scottish Independence referendum where England claimed that it was better for we Scots to stay in the United Kingdom, they appear to have ushered us back in via the front door while they're exiting via the back! :scratch: This whole escapade has been more about English independence. No mainstream political parties in Scotland were pushing for leave, the Scots voted democratically to stay just as they voted in the last general election giving the SNP 56 of the 59 Westminster parliament seats. Is Scotland really supposed to follow England into the unknown because England says so?

Hmmm... Interesting times!

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I find it a little strange to say the least. After all the brouhaha of the Scottish Independence referendum where England claimed that it was better for we Scots to stay in the United Kingdom, they appear to have ushered us back in via the front door while they're exiting via the back! :scratch: This whole escapade has been more about English independence. No mainstream political parties in Scotland were pushing for leave, the Scots voted democratically to stay just as they voted in the last general election giving the SNP 56 of the 59 Westminster parliament seats. Is Scotland really supposed to follow England into the unknown because England says so?

Hmmm... Interesting times!

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See one of the Youtube links I posted earlier. It is only to their advantage at the cost of others. Now that the English decided to leave, again the rest of Europe will now demand payback from all the special conditions that the English requested to stay in the Union, which they still exited anyways. You will also see as I mentioned before, Scotland declaring independence, Ireland possibly reuniting with Northern Ireland (sometime in the distant future). The German government will probably ask Frau. Merkel to resign, besides they are raising the issue about other countries accepting more migrants, from their former colonies, besides why should Germany bear the brunt of it? Let France and England take in all the blowback of migrants from their former colonies. The chickens have pretty much come home to roost. I also would not be surprised if Spain further raises the issue on Gibraltar.

England has cause a lot of chaos in general, but this cannot stay forever.

In the US indie media, Farage is often compared to Ron Paul. Other then that, that is all I know.

All I can say is congrads to the UK. There might be some short term stuff, however I think it will be for the better.

Way back in 1976, I voted "remain". This time I got it right and voted for Brexit, so I'm delighted. Now let's get the panic into proportion.

Of course the markets fell. They fall when anything unusual happens. Then, eventually, the traders stop panicking and things return to normal.

There will not be some great tariff wall set up between the UK and the EU. Think of all the German manufacturers who export to the UK: they wouldn't stand for that.

The Scots will probably leave, but that's no great loss. Sorry, Soadyheid! Scotland and England just don't have much in common and the different results was yet another demonstration of that.

Britain is not too small to go it alone. We have the fifth-largest economy in the world, bigger than that of Canada. I don't notice the Canadians rushing to join the USA!

The result will also be good for the EU. The whole agenda of "ever-closer union" has been pushed by the EU Commission and the French and Benelux political establishments. It has little support elsewhere: a recent poll showed an Italian majority for leaving the EU. One German commentator was hoping for Brexit, saying that it would be a chance to dismantle the whole federalist structure and return the EU to being a free-trade area. If Marine Le Pen wins the French presidency, that's a certainty.

PS I forgot another reason for rejoicing: the fall of Dave Scameron!

EU basically tells the UK to not delay, and get the hell out already...

Also as I indicated, Spain raises the issue of Gibraltar but seems to only ask for joint-control of Gibraltar.

As an American, I see a lot of parallels between this and what's happening "over here."

(It is, as an aside, quite interesting that England will be allowed to peacefully leave the European union, while an attempt in the 1860's for a handful of US States to leave their union resulted in a bloody civil war that killed more Americans than every other war to date, combined ....)

For about the last forty years, I think we've all been party to a grand social experiment in "internationalization," including the wholesale use of "imported" foreign labor (in the US, the "non-immigrant visa") to circumvent established labor law and the US-Constitutional prohibition against "involuntary servitude." The aggressive use of "import everything from whatever country has the cheapest labor and the most non-existent environmental laws." Things which have decimated the host-countries in question. A very small number of people in power thought that these things were splendid. Millions of citizens who had lost their jobs and couldn't get a new one, didn't think so.

I think that we're beginning to re-discover what "sovereign nation" means, and why this concept is still important. A group of people form this thing called a "nation," and they should be using it, foremost, to protect the interests of the people who live there. Laws are enforced, not circumvented. Domestic production is encouraged, not neutered. Nations make deals with one another opportunistically, and from a position of strength. They do not forfeit their national identities in the name of commerce.

To me, the European Union is dying ... and will die ... because it is "oxen yoked unequally to the plow." Every "small" nation wanted to join, and big-business wanted them to join because their labor would be cheap. And it is now one of the "biggest" members that is calling it quits. I predict that all the other "biggies" will quickly follow. After all, what good is it to be "big," when the smallest of the small can dictate terms to you from Brussels?

Although the environment in the US is different, the growing sentiment is the same. International trade is conceptually a good thing, but not at the expense of your country, its peoples ("you!") and its laws. America has signed and has courted many treaties which stipulated that American law would be superseded(!) by "businessmen unknown." I think that the tide, on both sides of the Pond, has now decisively "turned."

I was particularly amused by the BBC's "OMG! THE POUND IS WORTHLESS AGAINST THE EURO!" headlines this morning, followed by the rates recovering fairly quickly.
The Dollar seems to be doing well though so, perhaps, the GBP has pulled the EUR down with it and the USD will rise a little.

I do think we are in for some difficult times but hopefully those in Bruxells and the rest of Europe aren't as moronic as the people crying because of this vote.

Well, in terms of "world reserve currencies," the British Pound was never not in the pool. (And, it never was particularly "tied to the Euro" by currency traders.)

Oooooh! wash your mouth out! Linux is NOT Windows, England is NOT the UK. That's probably as irritating to we Scots as some Brit calling you a Yankee, (yes, I note where you come from.) :tisk:

How sad that the world is now changing from grand inclusive nations back to tribalism.

The dinosaurs managed to rule the earth for about 160 million years before being wiped out by a comet. Modern humanity has only been here for about 200,000 years and is looking decidedly like they're going to try for self inflicted extinction. My next fear is The Donald being handed the big red button! :eek:

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I am happy about Brexit because I am tired of whining, worries and propaganda, "hug a Brit", etc.

Movement of something new often can bring refreshment, reflection and optimization.

What worries me more is the ISIS destabilization, immigrants flooding Europe, global warming will do it's part (Also I wonder generally where relationships with Russia is steering).

The problem with the suffering refugges is the fear of our peoples to have to share wealth and thus the rise of the outer right wings in Germany, Netherlands, Britain, Poland.

Democracy! Well, I think some day we might have democratic decisions to fire at refugees, sink their ships and driving them back in the ocean on our coasts.

Let us never forget when we deal with our national egoisms:
1870
1914
1939

Our fathers have been so wise to build the montane union, nuclear collaboration/mutual control later EG and EU. Economical and military interdependency.

We are still reaping a wealth of fruits sown by wise fathers of nations in Europe. I think the longest period of peace.

1870, 1914, 1939 other long growing fruits were begun to be reaped.

What are we sowing today?

Me bad! (However, I partly thought that, when this whole thing settles-out, there might well be "just England.") :rolleyes:

Me bad! (However, I partly thought that, when this whole thing settles-out, there might well be "just England." :rolleyes:

The seeds of War are always being sown, especially by people who stand to make a bunch of money if when another one breaks out. The individual people of countries must be standing there, yanking the damned things out of the ground before they sprout. It's a never-ending task.