Blue-Ray Vs HD-DVD
 

Hi guy just wondering which high definition disk format you support and want to see win the battle of the HD disk

Sony = Blu-Ray
Microsoft = HD-DVD

My bet is that Blu-Ray will win this in the end, and i think most of this is thanks to playstation 3 having a blu-ray player.

blu
 

Don't be so sure. I can ONLY hope, that blue ray wins. Why? Becouse there are enough stupid a noob people to think like this: "Ooo... HDTV, wow! We will need a HD-DVD player for this..." I think you understand what do I mean. So I can only say again, that I only can hope that Blue-ray wins. The other thing is, that this debute latency in europe and the small amount of PS3 games does not make a good point for Blu-ray. We'll see the results soon, or if not results, but tendencies.

I am not really bothered about the PS3, but I prefer Blu-Ray. From what I have read, Blu-Ray is better than HD-DVD and has higher capacity although the discs are a bit more expensive.

wasnt betamax a better format? everyone saw what happened there. I think blue-ray will last longer , but only if this fox copy protection is worth the disk its burnt on. In the end the decison isnt with the users, but with the distributer. If you can only buy films in one format then thats all you'll buy.

What i dont understand is why no ones working on a player that can play both?

I believe such players are already on the market or being worked on. I am sure I read somewhere that LG or some other company has a player out there that can play both formats.

There have been plans for Hybrid players, but untill now, Sony and Toshiba have allways threathened companies that we're planning on creating them.

And yes.. Betamax was better then the VHS - system.. But your average consumer don't care about technology and such, so they just buy what's cheap and what they think have the best movies on it.

And by the way people.. it's BLU-RAY .. not BLUE-RAY !

You know, it is not sure that the better format will win. This is bad. There were a lot of cases, where the worse format was used, when there was a much better. Here is a very clear example: the 1,44" floppy discs. There were numerous formats that could've replace it, becouse they were better, but neighter of them did. These formats could've been the Data Minidisc, ZIP-drive, etc... Another case: The ordinary tape (casette) for music could've been replaced by Minidisc, but it didn't. Instead people waited for years, until the first CD-writers came, but MD was always writable. People are driven by their feelings and habits, but not by racional thoughts. Just look at cars. Car factories spend millions and millions of dollars to improve their Otto-engine (which is not effective by its nature), just to have a 0,01 percent better performance. There are much better solutions today, like Wankel engine, turbine-electric hybrids, Hidrogen cell powered electric cars, etc., but they are not used as commonly as they should be. Why? Becouse there are always interests, that prevent better technology to become common. I think this HD-DVD - Blue ray war is not a different story. If behind HD-DVD are more interests, and more money (microsoft), than it will win this battle. People don't learn from their mistakes... History always repeats itself. -> too bad.

Oh, I forget to write in the previous reply: Just look at Sony. They had numerous good ideas and they introduced a lot of new things (minidisc, cd-text, playstation, betamax, memory stick, discman and CD itself with Philips, Blue-ray and many other things), but not all of them won a battle with another format, even if they were better than the others. So, we absolutaly cannot be sure if blue-ray wins or not.

yeah thats the way i see it, the masses will follow the one taken up by business and the people who distribute these media there really is no question about it. I see it that if blu-ray manages to have a strong security( yes drm) system then business will want to use it, because dont they just love money.

Couple of years, maybe less players will be advertised as supporting both as if its nothing just a thing has to happen, well if both survive.

EDIT: Never mind Blue ray is the 20 gig one i was talking about .
I will say this tho Microsoft is not the founder of HD-DVD nor even officially sided with that

But just look at DVD-DL does anyone use these extensively today with the outrageous cost of the media?

neither are great for the consumer, but i like the companies that are making the HD-DVD better then i do anything that Sony touches.

also as for what format will win out over the other... neither. the combo drives will win.

top that off with the fact that there are universities out there that are getting 100G of storage out of standard DVDs, why bother upgrading to something with so much insistant DRm it is not even worth it.

Sony is evil, and for that reason alone I want HD-DVD to win. Their license restriction forbidding a dual format player is just silly greed. Plus, they have alienated the adult movie industry, so now HD-DVD has a strong commercial force boosting its success. Don't really care at this point which format succeeds since I don't have an HDTV, and I have no intention of buying a player for either format in the new future.

HD-DVD because it won't have SONY spyware on it.

When did this happen? I honestly think that the porn industry will be the key to the winners. You can say Blu-ray will win because of the PS3, but the Xbox360 has a HD-DVD attachment, so I don't really think thats much of an option. If the movie studios, the game companies, and the other multimedia corporations have already picked sides, that really only leaves porn. I have read that is one reason that VHS won was due to the fact that the porn industry choose it over Betamax.

Personally I want Blu-ray to win. I think its the better disk. You can't really say you don't want Blu-ray to win because of Sony being the evil DRM kings because Microsoft who may not officially be backing the HD discs is more or less behind them at this point. They're just as bad at the DRM game as anyone else. So on that note the discs are even. I really hope we don't have another DVD-R vs DVD+R, thats really annoying.

A while back. Here's the top Google result for it:
http://www.sgknox.com/2007/01/11/no-porn-on-blu-ray/

"the most immediately obvious difference between the two formats was the recording length. Standard Betamax tapes lasted 60 minutes — not long enough to record a movie. Conversely, the 3-hour VHS tapes were perfect for recording television programmes and movies. Sony did adapt and offer various solutions for longer recording, but it was too late. The issue of recording time is often cited as the most defining factor in the war."

Thats why VHS won

on many websites that goes through history as why VHS won none of them say any thing about porn


ctrl + f porn I find nothing on that one

you do crtl + F in firefox a try and find the word porn

Moved: This thread is more suitable in General and has been moved accordingly to help your thread/question get the exposure it deserves.

Because you didn't read the last link
http://www.sgknox.com/2007/01/11/no-porn-on-blu-ray/

Personally, I don't care, I would rather sit on the fence until a winner comes out completely, but if I must choose, then HD-DVD. I don't see how blu ray will win, mainly for the fact that sony has decreed that the adult industry will not be allowed to put their content on blu ray, so they will go hd-dvd (sound familiar? betamax v vhs). Plus I don't understand the arguement that ps3 will carry the blu ray. PS3 has blu ray, so what? The PS3 launch was a disaster for Sony, there are more PS3s in stores than in homes. I can't go to a Best Buy or any other electronics retailer and not be hassled about being reminded how they have PS3s in stock. "We do have PS3s, please buy one." I think the stores are probably gouging at their own eyes about the PS3. Its harder to find a Wii, which I wouldn't mind having, but finding a Wii is getting easier.

Now back to topic. Personally, I have no need for either. The current DVD format suits me just fine, plus, most movies that I have seen on either hd-dvd or blu ray, ARE STILL ENCODED IN MPEG-2, not the new MPEG4 which was so promised by both formats, and really I don't have the equipment to 'enjoy' the higher res, oh and lets not forget the new restrictions. I am sure it will be harder to play either format in an open source enviornment, and whats all this crap I hear about HDCP, and downgrading resolution if I don't have the right HDMI connections, fsck that. Until the DVD format itself gets phased out by ONE format only, hd-dvd or blu-ray, then I will be switching, but wait, I also hear that in a few years, disc media will become irrelavent, due to movie downloads, and higher and higher storage capacity of solid state media (compact flash, sd, etc).

HD-DVD i think will win because it is cheaper. It is cheaper to buy 2 dvd's than it is to buy a single dvd-/+DL disk, and it will most likely be cheap to buy 2 hd-dvds than a blu-ray disk. I cant imagine porn having the decding factor this time round, because from what i have read HD porn looks shit, and most people will be more than happy with SD porn.
Cost will be the deciding factor, along with marketing of course, and as of now hd-dvd is cheaper to buy, cheaper to burn on, and cheaper to watch.
The 15gigs that is a hd-dvd disk, is plenty enough for a full HD movie, and extras and even if it is not, nobody realy complains when u get dvd extras on a seperate disk, and nobody will mind if u get HD extras on a seperate disk.
Cost over quality; betamax better, vhs cheaper. mini disk better, cd cheaper. It is going to happen again. The only people that can stop HD-DVD winning is the HD-DVD camp.

I still want Blu-Ray to win but I think you might be right. :mad: On the same note the HD-DVD players are also half the price of the current Blu-Ray players from Sony. $500 vs $1000? Seems to be obvious... also makes a PS3 suddenly look like a bargain!

Hd-dvd
 

Because HD-DVD copy protection has already been cracked.

@Someone: How is the Playstation great? All it's been doing is pushing Sony tech on the consumer. Plus, alot of the products turned out reasonably crappy.

I want the one with less DRM. Either DHVD (Holographics) or PaperCDs.

Doesn't matter if Blue-Ray is Sony and HD-DVD is MS, both are DRM infested sacks of crap, so I'm not voting for either.

If I ever purchase a blue-ray or hd-dvd drive it will be the $50 no named brand made in china.
Who really gives a damn about "premium content" on PCs?

Blu-Ray has a higher capacity and so might be better for backups. Also, the disks have a coating which is supposed to protect the discs against scratching.

However, for Movies, mastering a Blu-Ray disk is 2 orders of magnitude more expensive, so I think that this will result in most movies being put out in DVD-HD rather than Blu-Ray.

I talked to an employee at Vid-Cycle. He said that they don't know how they can clean Blu-Ray disks. The machine they use to clean and refurbish DVDs will strip off the coating from a Blu-Ray disk and render them unusable.

From what I remember, the Porn industry preference was influential when you could just buy players. It was after tuners and recording capabilities were added that sales of VTRs took off.

Also, JVC (Japanese Victor Corporation) had a service network (RCA) in the US which made it easier to get equipment serviced under warranty.

Blu-Ray discs have scratch protection?

Last I checked Blu-Ray could be killed by simple scratches, and HDDVD was the more resistant one.

Regardless, I still love the paper CDs. I can cut them up with my schizzor!

guy's I have found a new news on the porn thing

"Surviving Clean Living

While Sony is keeping it at arm's length, the Blu-ray Disk Assn. (BDA), of which Sony, as it happens, is a member, takes a more liberal view. "The BDA welcomes the participation of all companies interested in using and supporting the format," it says. In late March, Vivid Entertainment, another producer of adult content, plans to release Debbie Does Dallas…Again on Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. Vivid hasn't said which Blu-ray company it's working with.

Adult-oriented content has also appeared on Sony's PlayStation Portable handheld game consoles. In 2005 in Japan, two companies, h.m.p and GLAY'z, released adult titles, including The Nurse of a Big Breast, using the UMD disk format.

Perhaps more important, some analysts question the extent to which porn was responsible for VHS crushing Betamax in the first place. While VHS undoubtedly played a huge role in taking adult entertainment to a wider audience, other—admittedly more mundane—factors may have been important in establishing the dominance of VHS.
The PlayStation Effect

For example, when Betamax first appeared, cassettes only lasted an hour. VHS tapes first lasted two hours and later, four hours. Despite Betamax offering superior viewing quality, VHS quickly became the established standard in most homes and rental stores. There are also differences between Betamax versus VHS in the 1980s and Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD today. Betamax and VHS were effectively battling to dominate a new market, but today's high-definition disks are essentially new generation of an existing market.

Whether fans of adult movies prefer cheaper DVDs or high-definition quality remains to be seen, but it isn't the case that these movies will necessarily decide the fate of Blu-ray versus HD-DVD. "It is true that content determines the winner, but I'm just not sure that adult is the defining factor," says David Gibson, an analyst at Macquarie Securities in Tokyo.

Then there's the role of the PlayStation3, which includes a Blu-ray player. Despite several missteps (see BusinessWeek.com, 11/14/06, "Sony's PS3 Issues Threaten Revival"), the PS3 is selling well and already responsible for putting far more Blu-ray players in people's homes than there are HD-DVD players. "I did read all the HD-DVD excitement, but I think they sold 60,000 players, and we actually put out a million Blu-ray players," Sony chief Howard Stringer told Cnet.com on Jan. 22.

and now i find this

http://www.freenewmexican.com/readerblogs/56389.html

I don't think that anyone has posted this sight yet:
http://bluraysucks.com/

I found it pretty interesting.