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Old 03-16-2021, 07:58 AM   #3436
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I started computing in the late 80's but only with the web in around 2001. That was using Windows 98SE, 56k dial up and Netscape Communicator.

I remember using a dial up provider (can't remember what they were called), where you dialled a local rate number and then just paid for the minutes you were on. It would kick you off every hour. Then later with a subscriber called "freeserve" for about 10 per month - and that one provided the email address and web-hosting as you describe. The funny thing about that, is that my files were still there a few years after I terminated with them.

Funny to think back then that people were encouraged to just put up their own little website - rather than walking about with devices which host their entire lives on a 1984-esque surveillance platform "connect" them, mine their data, profile and spy on them and turn them into a commodity to be sold to the highest bidder.

It comes back to the security/privacy conundrum - in that we certainly have better security, but less privacy, because despite the widespread adoption of SSL/TLS over the last decade, file encryption and far greater data security - your data is now being transmitted to servers, who knows where, used for who knows what, very securely, but at a big cost to privacy.

Platforms like Windows 10, Android, ChromeOS and macOS/iOS and most modern browsers based on webkit/blink or mozilla have been engineered to spy on the user and harvest telemetry data wherever and whenever possible - and this is accepted by courts, governments, the EU, the UN, etc. The web itself is engineered to do the same thing, via the massive influence and control of FAANG, Microsoft, et al and has become a complex rats' nest of surveillance tech as a result.

Then think back to when you hosted your files or your little personal page over HTTP and think about how much has changed.

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Old 03-16-2021, 01:24 PM   #3437
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Excellent brief summary cynwulf!

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It comes back to the security/privacy conundrum - in that we certainly have better security, but less privacy, because despite the widespread adoption of SSL/TLS over the last decade, file encryption and far greater data security - your data is now being transmitted to servers, who knows where, used for who knows what, very securely, but at a big cost to privacy.
Privacy is not a technical nor a protocol issue.

Privacy is the product of mutual respect among equals.

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[Some of us still] hold these truths to be self evident, that [every single one of us] are created equal...
Equal not in the eyes of the law, but in the eyes of each other - in all our dealings and interactions with each other.

Recognition of that principle as the foundation of our law and societies is the distinguishing characteristic of western civilization. Love for others as ourselves. Respect for others as we want for ourselves. Doing unto others as we would want them to do to us. Privacy is the byproduct of such a society.

That was also the stated guiding principle of the now defunct Free Software movement. That movement itself was a reaction to the rise of very unequal software licensing terms and twisted use of pre-existing law intended for other purposes to hoard the "wealth" of knowledge and opportunity of emerging technologies previously shared by all, for the monetary and power benefit of a few, at the expense of a lost bright future, for everyone.

We are now in the midst of a technologically reinforced dark age, the situation you have summarized so succinctly. That darkness is defined by the absence of mutual respect as the guiding principle and the resulting inequality of all our dealings, especially by the corporate proxies behind which those individuals who most profit by unequal interactions with others hide themselves.

Much more than just our privacy has been lost, rather stolen, and the civilization is in collapse as a result. Learn from it and keep what light you may have burning bright, it is going to be a very long and dark night, I suspect.

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Old 03-16-2021, 01:30 PM   #3438
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Thanks, Astrogeek. That was very moving.
 
Old 03-17-2021, 01:21 PM   #3439
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"the now defunct Free Software movement"

"Open washing" has largely succeeded there. Some of the biggest enemies of free software now have their corporate logos emblazoned on the website for the Linux Foundation. Three or more of the "platinum" members have a documented history of undermining, shutting down (post acquisition),discrediting or otherwise interfering in foss projects - or attacking them with patents. MS will of course defend its monopoly at all costs and via its restrictive licensing with the OEMs will squeeze out competition as it essentially owns x86 and the UEFI to do with as it pleases. What they don't dare to do yet however is completely lock out non MS OS, as that would attract the wrong kind of attention.

While "open source" is something which can go hand in hand with the corporate world, it's acceptable - it's profitable. Once it becomes "free software" it once again becomes the threat it was perceived to be by the proprietary software industry throughout the 90s and 00s.

Corporations are throwing money at developers, but peanuts compared to what they paid to develop in house.
 
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Weather monarchies, dictatorships or democracy, &: government is law... one stupider than others? Who cares, opinions are never fact(, especially multiplying 7 billion rabbits)? Unlike carrots and beta carotene.

I don't have children so am less a dictator; but if I adopted kids() then I'd teach right\fact is sharing!

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Old 03-23-2021, 12:28 PM   #3441
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Microsoft is said to buy Discord soon. Will Linux people finally return to the IRC?
 
Old 03-23-2021, 04:04 PM   #3442
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Stereotyping nations is no different than users...

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Old 03-24-2021, 10:34 AM   #3443
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Microsoft is said to buy Discord soon. Will Linux people finally return to the IRC?
What little I've read about "Discord", it seems to be a platform for online gamers. It has been the subject of numerous controversies regarding the use/abuse of the platform and hosted neo-Nazi groups and worse.

In view of that and as it's proprietary software, I'm not sure where "Linux people" fit in?

I suspect Microsoft's interest is linked to it's Xbox and PC gaming markets - as with the ZeniMax media acquisition, which will give MS more control and leverage over PC gaming (and it now owns ID and Bethesda as a result, under the Xbox Game Studios umbrella).
 
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Discord is a common communication channel even in the FLOSS development scene. Which is sad in my opinion.
 
Old 03-24-2021, 09:07 PM   #3445
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Discord is a common communication channel even in the FLOSS development scene. Which is sad in my opinion.
I'm not quite sure what connection you are trying to make with keeping one's teeth clean, ;-) and I also have never understood why it wasn't named something more positive, such as Discourse. But it is certainly used on Linux. So I can appreciate the mention of IRC.
 
  


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