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Old 03-19-2020, 11:43 AM   #3271
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But that is not the meaning which "Linux distribution" is commonly understood to hold (that is, an operating system consisting of at minimum the GNU core, the Linux kernel, and a package manager). If I define "fruit" as any body produced by a plant and then say that by that definition, carrots are a fruit, I'd be technically right, but that would mean absolutely nothing because my initial definition was not widely accepted.
Although I feel that you have a point about "fruit", I feel that it may not correlate with what you mentioned just prior to it. When you say the GNU core, are you talking about Mach, or Hurd, or what? Are you aware of the terminology debate WRT "GNU/Linux" ? Also, if I'm understanding you correctly, I believe that you will find somewhat different descriptions of what constitutes a "Linux Distribution". But overall, I didn't suggest that Android is a Linux Distribution, and I did say that it could "more or less" be thought of as a Linux Distribution. So if you don't think it's quite up to par with a Linux Distribution, that's the less part. But it has the Linux kernel, it has a corollary of a Desktop environment, but for mobile purposes, and in one sense or another, it could be said to have a package manager.

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Old 03-19-2020, 12:04 PM   #3272
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Although I feel that you have a point about "fruit", I feel that it may not correlate with what you mentioned just prior to it. When you say the GNU core, are you talking about Mach, or Hurd, or what?
GNU core meaning the core/base software of the GNU operating system - GCC, *sh (zsh/dash/bash/etc.), glibc, coreutils, binutils, etc. There's some debate over exactly which GNU packages constitute the base, but I think the ones I listed aren't controversial.
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Also, if I'm understanding you correctly, I believe that you will find somewhat different descriptions of what constitutes a "Linux Distribution".
Few of which require solely that a distro use the Linux kernel.
 
Old 03-19-2020, 11:59 PM   #3273
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Few of which require solely that a distro use the Linux kernel.
Indeed, Android doesn't just have a Linux kernel.
 
Old 03-27-2020, 10:29 AM   #3274
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It does, but it also has a NetBSD userland, which is why it is relatively reliable.
 
Old 03-28-2020, 09:39 PM   #3275
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It does, but it also has a NetBSD userland, which is why it is relatively reliable.
The phrase "userland" has been used in a variety of different ways; please clarify.
 
Old 03-29-2020, 06:08 AM   #3276
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I am not responsible for misleading usages of words.

Basically, "the command-line tools and libraries".
 
Old 03-29-2020, 07:13 PM   #3277
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I am not responsible for misleading usages of words.

Basically, "the command-line tools and libraries".
So you are suggesting that Android has command-line tools and libraries that are like those for NetBSD???
 
Old 04-02-2020, 02:44 AM   #3278
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No, I am suggesting that Android actually uses NetBSD code. Feel free to grep it for "NetBSD".
 
Old 04-04-2020, 06:43 PM   #3279
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Maybe I could have approached it better, but when I made comment #3267 in this thread, my sole concern was, what was the focus of noordinaryspider's idea that Linux is better than Android. Given the presence of a Linux Kernel within Android, I would be very interested to know what the perceived deficiencies are within Android.
 
Old 04-04-2020, 06:54 PM   #3280
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Linux as a general term normally embodies absolute freedom in the operating system, unless you go with something that Conical or Google puts out...
 
Old 04-04-2020, 11:43 PM   #3281
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[RANT]

There's a chance Linux is running on borrowed time. Perhaps the increasing popularity and the number of large(sometimes crooked) companies trying to get their finger in the pie might give a hint to the longevity. I'm beginning to wonder how close we are to an "All the Eggs In One Basket" scenario.

Until then I'll enjoy using it as my daily driver. People complain about fragmentation, but sometimes it's actually a strength instead of the perceived weakness.

I'm thankful for all the alternative OS's/Kernels currently out there. Sure they aren't nearly as complete as Linux or BSD but some are usable and should something happen to Linux, the development is very likely to increase on these.

I'd like to see is a drop in replacement for Linux though. Several distros like Debian and Guix have invested in the Hurd, an interesting kernel but not very functional as of yet. It's fun to tinker with none the less. Some distros have tinkered with a bsd kernel as well.

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Old 04-05-2020, 08:35 AM   #3282
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My rant is focused more on open source hardware... way harder to find but seems it's starting, won't stop!.

Unless hand washing does.

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Old 04-05-2020, 09:49 AM   #3283
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[RANT]

There's a chance Linux is running on borrowed time. Perhaps the increasing popularity and the number of large(sometimes crooked) companies trying to get their finger in the pie might give a hint to the longevity. I'm beginning to wonder how close we are to an "All the Eggs In One Basket" scenario.

Until then I'll enjoy using it as my daily driver. People complain about fragmentation, but sometimes it's actually a strength instead of the perceived weakness.

I'm thankful for all the alternative OS's/Kernels currently out there. Sure they aren't nearly as complete as Linux or BSD but some are usable and should something happen to Linux, the development is very likely to increase on these.

I'd like to see is a drop in replacement for Linux though. Several distros like Debian and Guix have invested in the Hurd, an interesting kernel but not very functional as of yet. It's fun to tinker with none the less. Some distros have tinkered with a bsd kernel as well.

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Have any distros other than Debian tried to use a BSD kernel? I seem to remember there being a few, but I don't recall which ones they were.
 
Old 04-05-2020, 10:31 AM   #3284
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Have any distros other than Debian tried to use a BSD kernel? I seem to remember there being a few, but I don't recall which ones they were.
Arch and Ubuntu was all I've found outside the Debian port. Neither look like they're very active.

https://pacbsd.org/
https://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntubsd/
 
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