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Old 05-09-2019, 03:14 AM   #3136
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Because they were told FUD by you people.
 
Old 05-09-2019, 09:08 AM   #3137
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Because they were told FUD by you people.
Right; so I suppose that's why they come to this site, as opposed to us going to them, telling them to use Linux instead of Winblows ? Because they just take some random person's word for it on the Internet, that they just must use Linux instead of Winblows ? Because presumably they can't think for themselves, I see...
 
Old 05-09-2019, 09:29 AM   #3138
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Too many Linsuxians flood Windows forums with their "you still use Windows lulz n00b come to Linsux we are so much better than you" crap, that's why they come here.
 
Old 05-09-2019, 09:51 AM   #3139
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Too many Linsuxians flood Windows forums with their "you still use Windows lulz n00b come to Linsux we are so much better than you" crap, that's why they come here.
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...Because they just take some random person's word for it on the Internet, that they just must use Linux instead of Winblows ? Because presumably they can't think for themselves, I see...
LOL, you're a funny guy, I'll give you that.
 
Old 05-09-2019, 10:09 AM   #3140
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I agree with you: People who switch from Windows to Linsux presumably can't think for themselves.
 
Old 05-09-2019, 11:03 AM   #3141
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I agree with you: People who switch from Windows to Linsux presumably can't think for themselves.
I take it you didn't notice the smiley ? But we both know you did...

So if I may retort...

Most people I see here who give up and go back to Winblow$, give up because they find that they actually do need to do some thinking if they want to stick with Linux - particularly if they run into a problem. In fact, if I couldn't and/or didn't want to do any thinking of my own, I would quite happily go back to Winblow$...

So your statement doesn't correspond to reality...

So keep digging.
 
Old 05-09-2019, 12:28 PM   #3142
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I find it relatively humorous to think that a person who thinks Linux and software that runs on Linux is crummy, thinks plan9 stuff is somehow less crummy. Maybe because it's really crude? Or hard to run/use?

P.S. I have run plan9 myself. It's ancient...
 
Old 05-09-2019, 01:35 PM   #3143
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What does that have to do with anything?
 
Old 05-09-2019, 01:50 PM   #3144
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Am I the only one here who feels that this thread is going round in circles?
 
Old 05-09-2019, 02:43 PM   #3145
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It's been going around in circles for over 200 pages. That's the whole point in fact. It probably serves to keep all of the "Mickey$haft Winblow$ vs Linsux" stuff all in one place.

I find it rather ironic that Plan 9 has now entered the mix - an OS which has barely any software available, not even a modern browser and could only be of interest to those involved in specific research. I'd be genuinely interested in the use cases for Plan 9, I remember someone on the FreeBSD forums was a serious user, but can't recall exactly what they used it for. Quite intriguing as one of it's original developers was none other than Ken Thompson. As ever, it doesn't matter how brilliant a concept or how innovative it may be, an inferior "competitor" can easily dominate. It's called business...

YesItsMe, perhaps inadvertently makes the point that you're stuck with Windows if you want overpriced commercial production software such as Photoshop or Illustrator. While I've seen some brilliant stuff done with the gimp (in my opinion it's the artist first and foremost, then the tool), in a professional setting the adobe stuff and a whole host of other commercial software is unfortunately a must.

Windows is still firmly rooted in place when it comes to production workstations, even treading on Apple's traditional old turf in DTP, offering a cheaper alternative. MS achieved a lot of this using familiar old tactics, over the last 20 or so years, by providing MS applications for Apple, so making the transition easier and more attractive and beating off it's competitors there. It's business.

Linux dominates in servers, in the WWW, as the backbone of the internet, in supercomputers, in embedded, in IoT, etc. It has become the "jack of all trades" workhorse, which MS can no longer ignore. They can't extinguish it, but they can get enough influence and control over it as others such as IBM/Red Hat, Oracle, HP, Intel, etc have done to become players.

When it comes to Linux, or any free software, MS obviously do not have any pure motives, despite the propaganda, but neither do the well known corporations now sitting very comfortably within the Linux Foundation. It's all business and none of those care about GPL or free software. By bankrolling those projects and doing the minimum to comply with free licences, they effectively own them.

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Old 05-09-2019, 02:53 PM   #3146
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Plan 9 is not a good everyday desktop system. However, if all one does with a computer is to surf the web and they cannot imagine other purposes, I understand why they'd use Linux. After all, "it has a shiny web browser" could be enough reason and then they'll just take the first OS that comes into their mind ... which is not necessarily the best one.

I use it because of the awesome combination of fossil and venti. And for research purposes, of course - never settle.
But this has nothing to do with "Windows v Linux" and I wonder why it came into this discussion at all...
 
Old 05-09-2019, 02:54 PM   #3147
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@cynwulf,
Well said!


Put another way, "It's a poor craftsman who blames his tools."
 
Old 06-18-2019, 08:36 PM   #3148
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I personally came to linux on my own free will. I do not need articles or videos of people's ideals of a good or bad OS.

I tried linux and I just love it. And went exclusively to linux 100% a few years back and I never looked back.

And even though MS windows has incorporating some of linux features, i.e, a recently added linux kernel to steer linux users to windows.

I will never go back. I just like gnu/linux more.

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Old 07-06-2019, 06:21 PM   #3149
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Am I the only one here who feels that this thread is going round in circles?
I tend to feel that the thread involves various factors that may more or less go around in circles in the World. The thread seems to involve at least Technology, Business, Scruples, and Timing.

These might be things that some people might think are obvious, but just to try to get most of them in one place, I'll describe the issues which I feel are involved.

Timing: although a couple major companies were there in the early days of the PC/Desktop-Computer boom, and in that sense, may deserve to be thought of as early innovators, that doesn't mean that everyone has to like their products. Nor does it mean that the products are the best technology.

Business & Scruples: I feel it's fair to say that the goal of a business is to make money. Sadly, as long as the business doesn't violates laws, the business doesn't necessarily have to meet anyone's sense of scruples. For example, a business might strive to lead, and yet by virtue of the way they do it, ignore or not support well, existing pervasive standards, and in that sense, perhaps somewhat let down their Customers.

Technology: although I tend to feel that business has sometimes propelled technology by funding technical advancements, I also tend to feel that business may have sometimes helped slow down technical advancements; likewise the timing involved, may slow things. Decades ago, although there was at one point a short-lived problem with some microcode, there were AFAIK, some NS ( National Semiconductor ) CPU's that had all the addressing modes for just about any instruction that addressed data. Nor did they have any address region-type limitations such as I feel seemed to be present with some of the early Intel chips. I suspect that if the NS chips, and the related tech. had been much cheaper, and had been the basis of PC's, PC tech. might have come a good deal further, a good deal faster. Instead, I feel that because of the cost, and the timing, the other companies getting there first, etc., the tech. somewhat crawled along. I feel there were some brilliant kludges done to get around what I feel are limitations in, especially the earlier Intel Processors, and related tech, but kludges, just the same. If what I feel was notably more versatile hardware had been in much broader use, without so many barriers to get around, I feel the tech. would be a lot farther along today. I've worked for companies that were very dynamic, as far being willing to try new things, and others that were much more static. Much though I admire the companies that were more dynamic, not every company may be in a position to easily try new things.

Might be fair to say that there is something else, which is personal preference. I've known people that whatever they felt about the OS they were using, have avoided trying some OS, until some piece of software they liked, or a Desktop Environment that behaved like what they were already using, became available for the OS.
 
Old 07-09-2019, 07:03 PM   #3150
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Might wanna turn off Cortana if running it.
 
  


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