Because Shiny Things Are Fun - The New New Windows v Linux Thread

The kernel is not a complete OS. The shitty Lin$ux kernel in Android would be worthless without the BSD userland.

Originally Posted by YesItsMe The kernel is not a complete OS.

Who said it was ? If your saying I said that... where did I say that ?

The shitty Lin$ux kernel in Android would be worthless without the BSD userland.

And you know this... how ?

BTW, thanks for not giving up, as it's fun & funny chatting with you. I'm sorry but, some of your counterparts in the 'Windoz$ team' are just letting the side down. Your the star of the team.

There is no Android with a non-BSD userland, so BSD is obviously a crucial part of Android.

To save repeating myself:

https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...ml#post5793526

YesItsMe is to all intent and purposes correct. You could say "Android is Linux without the GNU". There is a lot of BSD licensed and other permissive licensed code in android and much of the native code is released under Apache Licence v2. I'm not sure how much specifically NetBSD code is included.

Android's libc is based on some FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD code: https://android.googlesource.com/pla.../+/master/libc

(look at the "upstream" directories near the bottom and check some of the c source code files in stdio, etc.

google has a stated goal of avoiding GPL entanglement. So the whole code/licensing structure is based on catering for proprietary applications.

Thanks for explaining that cynwulf.

I was hoping for such explanation from YesItsMe, being the reason I asked about their statement below.

The shitty Lin$ux kernel in Android would be worthless without the BSD userland.

More precisely, an explanation of what's in bold. But you did it. So asked and answered.

While on funny videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIOIe0nr6DQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPsUM48H4MY

Granted. Physical access is required. Like on a linux laptop with a live iso. Or rogue usb plugged in. But nobody is perfect I guess.

I have never disliked windows as much I have disliked android for the monopoly it has created.

I'm sorry but, some of your counterparts in the 'Windoz$ team' are just letting the side down. Your the star of the team.

Was that a personal attack - that you have been told not to do??


In any case you do really need to learn how to spell.

YOUR is the possessive pronoun.
YOU'RE is the compression of you are.

Would you be happy if we started referring to LINSUX???

"Started".

Originally Posted by dave@burn-it.co.uk Was that a personal attack - that you have been told not to do??

Where's your user name mentioned ??

In any case you do really need to learn how to spell. YOUR is the possessive pronoun. YOU'RE is the compression of you are.

Leave the debate for the pro's david, your just not very good at it - YesItsMe at least has some grasp on what he's talking about. And also... yawn...

Would you be happy if we started referring to LINSUX???

So you can't read any more than you can do basic research ?

Originally Posted by kedarp I have never disliked windows as much I have disliked android for the monopoly it has created.

macOS/iOS is also based on an open source project (Darwin). It's nothing new. Android isn't "Linux" in the "GNU/Linux distribution" sense, it's just yet another "embedded Linux" thing like Amazon Kindle et al...

So my point is that there is not - and never was - anything to 'celebrate' about Android from a typical GNU/Linux user's perspective. Relatively little of benefit has upstreamed from it's development (as is usually the case). Device drivers tend to be proprietary vendor blobs. It's not really "increased Linux adoption", if we assume "Linux"="GNU/Linux", it's just a Linux being used as a means to an end as part of a partially proprietary smartphone OS (one could say "proprietary in all but licence"). The vast overwhelming majority of android users don't know and don't care, that they're running a Linux kernel on their device. This doesn't mean that Linux has not proliferated, grown, whatever you want to call it - it has, just not how some people envisaged it might back in 2005.

When it comes to anything based on some FOSS OS or kernel, advances have in fact been mostly proprietary, particularly in the "user experience", with the only the "core" being the FOSS part. GNU/Linux, *BSD and other free *nix users are mostly still stuck with creaking X11 and a collection of userspace/GUI tools which don't really compete on the same level as proprietary offerings.

So, google vs Microsoft vs Apple, Android vs Windows vs iOS, etc... it's still just mass market proprietary software when all is said and done. If you like what you like, then it doesn't really matter what the typical consumerbase of Android/iOS/Windows 10 users use and like. That's a different "market" after all.

your just not very good at it.

Hypocrite

Originally Posted by dave@burn-it.co.uk Hypocrite

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU26JPEflPk

Originally Posted by dave@burn-it.co.uk Hypocrite

Human

Ignorant!